Wildswanderer
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That's he's the only way to eternal life. That he will die ( give his flesh) for the salvation of all who believe in him.
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Elihoenai
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You stated in post #74: "But maybe I'm just crazy.". Many of the 2.2 Billion Christians in Christendom may consider you Crazy with all these Strange Doctrines. Possibly could be a good sign that they do so.
Further to post #74, the Totally Devoted of the Inverted Cross Practitioners take Ezekiel 4 literally and eat that bread literally.
What is this "The Wheel" Religion? Is "The Wheel" Religion Christianity and are you a Christian? Is what you are doing an Intellectual Exercise or are you a Serious Religious Practitioner?
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
Possibly. What do you think?
You say some are actually doing it. Wow.
Do you think that is more honest than using human dung as fuel for making bread? Is it more honest than just ignoring and avoiding the words?
Do you think at some point some may wonder if they understand the words correctly?
"If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it". Malachi
Is there a clear difference between a rich man, a poor man, and a beggar?
He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them. Samuel.
Notice the colour red (scarlet) is associated with dung:
They that did feed delicately are desolate in the streets: they that were brought up in scarlet embrace dunghills. Lamentations.
As the colour red is associated to sin:
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah.
Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Bread - Oil - Wine
Red - Purple - Blue
Sea - River - Stream.
Cattle - Goat - Sheep.
As the colour red is associated with Cattle.
This is the ordinance of the law which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke: Numbers.
The Red Sea. The Red Heifer. The Red (scarlet) is as Dung.
Hence it is logical there is dung in the bread. Always has been.
The bible contains a symbolic language. The words are symbols. The symbols are woven into a pattern.
I think the pattern that I see makes a symbol that Ive seen before in the form of a wheel.
I think the Bible speaks the Zodiac Wheel of Israel.
Yes the Wheel is Christianity. The Gospels contain the same symbolic language.
I was Christened/baptised as a baby. But religion was not talked about to me by my parents, and it wasnt talked about in my environment other than hearing some Bible stories at school.
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Reading the Bible myself as an adult has made strange sayings make sense to me.
I know why Atheists dont accept the sayings of the prophets. They cant find evidence if they dont know what they are looking for.
I would like to talk to someone about it. Does what I say and show make any sense?
I am serious. Am I crazy?
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
It depends on whether or not your Intention is to Practice the Doctrines you are leaning for Elohim/God or this is just an Empty/Vain Intellectual Exercise. If the latter, you are never really going to know what you are talking about.
Apparently, you are surprised at this. The Elect Inverted Cross Practitioners Marquis de Sade, Sabbatean-Frankist and Aleister Crowley do so as an aspect of Sodomy. On the Earth, the more Earthly you are relates to the Greater Commitment. The Earthly Greater Committed have Dominion over the Earth.
Elohim/God is seeking for Elect Cross Practitioners Soldiers that are on the Absolute Opposite Spectrum of the Inverted Cross Practitioner Soldiers. There are only a Few hundred/thousand out of 7.9 Billion in both camps. .
Logic is Wholly Inadequate to really know what you are talking about. It sounds like this is just a cerebral excercise that you are engaged in. There are plenty of Roman Catholics in the Universal Church that do so. The Universal Roman Catholic Church is a Catch-All for All Except the Elect.
The Holy Scriptures/Bible teaches Esoteric and Exoteric knowledge. Exoteric knowledge is for the Earthly Christian Church.
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
I got a bible and started reading it after a voice spoke inside my head.
Can you please explain what that means and your reasoning?
I know in the Bible there are verses that appear to be contradicting as they are opposites.
But they are not contradicting. They are verifying.
Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? Lamentations.
The good is not understood properly unless the evil is also understood. To understand both good and evil.
To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings. Proverbs.
Logic and reason is adequate to help us determine truth. Faith is blind. And if the blind lead the blind then they might go off the path and fall into the ditch.
Why? What is the Esoteric knowledge for?
Are you familiar with the term "marriage of the lamb"?
Are you familiar with the term "Son of God"?
Listen to this verse:
Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table. Psalm.
Now look at this:
Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Corn - Olive - Grape
Bread - Oil - Wine
Cattle - Goat - Sheep
I notice sheep is in the same position as the grape vine. So if the wife is also a grape vine then the "marriage of the lamb" does make logical sense to me.
Putting those words marriage/lamb together can only be done by someone who understands the layers and positions so is able to weave them together.
In that way the words of nonsense do speak perfect sense.
To understand the wife in the marriage of the lamb (Wine), and the children of God (Oil).
For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. Isaiah.
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
You better be careful or else they will call you Mad Schizophrenic and, possibly, lock you up. There are literally Millions of Christians that assert they heard the Voice of Elohim/God telling them to do this or that. Most of the time it's Elohim'S/God's instrument the Satan/Devil speaking to them.
Matthew 22:14
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
The Elect Cross Practitioners are Giants of the Spirit and the Elect Inverted Cross Practioners are Giants of the Flesh/Carnal.
The Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation is a Unified Whole. Only the Wise can Really understand the Words of the Wise. What does a person have to do to become Wise?
Are you saying that you don't believe in Faith? If yes, how can you be a Christian without belief in Faith?
Esoteric Knowledge is Secret Spiritual Knowledge for the Spiritual.
And what do you Intend to do with the Knowledge your are learning?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
" The Holy Scriptures/Bible from Genesis to Revelation is a Unified Whole. "
A big claim, please.
How could one claim it, if Yeshua didn't say it, please? Right?
If yes, then kindly quote from Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah in an unequivocal, straightforward and unambiguous manner, please. Right?
Else, won't it be an accusation on (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, please? Right?
Regards
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Elihoenai
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It's Impossible to see the Unification with Exoteric Knowledge. The Holy Scriptures/Bible Really cannot be Unified with Exoteric Knowledge. Exoteric Knowledge is for the 2.2 Billion members of the Earthly Universal Roman Catholic Church.
The Earthly Christian Members will say that this or that Law has been Abolished, that this or that part is for Israel and not for Gentiles or that this or that Prophecy has already been fulfilled or is for a future time as way to, apparently, maintain the Integrity of the Holy Scriptures/Bible.
Not everybody sees the same Yehsua/Jesus and that's why you get different Interpretations and Dominations. It is Insulting and Blasphemous if you, @paarsurrey, are suggesting that Yeshua never taught that the Holy Scriptures/Bible is a Unified Whole.
Accusations are always being made Against Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ.
I Am Ultra Extremist Non-Violent Christian.
Some prefer the Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ that Nazi-KKK Christians Sees.
This is the fruitage of the Catholic church - Jordan Maxwell
@paarsurrey, Do you think that the Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ that Nazi-KKK Christians Sees is an Accusation against him?
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WonderingWorrier
Active Member
It was a male voice speaking sentence after sentence in a foreign language that I couldnt understand. I was thinking I cant understand as it kept talking. The tone sounded serious and saying something important. There was one word which had so much emphasis that I took it in.
Later while thinking of how to spell it I tried to translate the word Slagtog.
I found it as a word used in old Swedish. It could match the accent that I heard.
The translation that I found was strange to me
A bridle for a Loshast, a horse that goes with the grain and is unbiased.
Freedom.
Liberty.
Freedom to speak ones mind.
Decode.
Decypher.
So it was a voice that I couldnt understand, and a word that Im not sure if I spelt right.
Faith is believing the words are true without knowing why.
I would like to try to have an open conversation about it. Thats why I'm here.
Then I would like to leave.
I dont like teaching my opinion. I prefer to listen.
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
Learn and consider other points of view.
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
I agree. It is a unified whole.
Like the sword mentioned in Revelation is the same sword mentioned in Genesis.
I talked about "The Sword of the Wilderness" earlier.
Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Desert - Wilderness - Mountain.
Spear - Sword - Bow.
We gat our bread with the peril of our lives because of the sword of the wilderness. Lamentations.
I could show the Wilderness as Eden:
For the Lord shall comfort Zion: he will comfort all her waste places; and he will make her wilderness like Eden, and her desert like the garden of the Lord; joy and gladness shall be found therein, thanksgiving, and the voice of melody. Isaiah.
The Sword of the Wilderness is the Sword of Eden that is mentioned in Genesis.
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. Genesis.
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Here is another Eden/Sword connection to consider:
As the Bible says the serpent in Eden eats the dust.
Who raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to his bow. Isaiah.
Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Brass - Silver - Gold
Desert - Wilderness Mountain
Spear - Sword - Bow
Straw - Dust - Stubble
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
If you claim something which Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah never claimed in an unequivocal, straightforward and unambiguous manner and he gave no reasonable argument for it, then that is your wrong concept and you yourself need to correct it , Yeshua is not responsible for it, as simple as that , please, right?
Regards
Brian2
Veteran Member
There is symbolism there to the "tree of life" in the Garden of Eden imo.
But probably the fruit of the tree of life was going to be a reward after not eating the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
A@E could not obey the command and also the Jews could not keep the Moses Law. A new way was needed and that way was faith and trust in God and what He would do through Jesus.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Thinking theorising is first no machine and no reaction.
Conscious human. Liar scientist.
Did you intend to maintain earths flour...dusts by gods status. Fused dust allowed living arising laws coldest greatest? Rock with dust water arising?
No...no intention whatsoever about holiness of dusts.
Dusts sealed as gods now by all coldest had allowed the arising living earth ground organisms to lift up in waters natural evaporation. Holy water life body arising.
From dusts like flour holy. Microbiology living like a yeast in bread. Inferences only. The mineral dust and living organisms arise in the holy water body.
Inferences given to humans who owned no scientific understanding. Allowed them to be taught how life was being destroyed.
Giving of life by those holy terms. Is an analogy meaning only.
Did you or are you referencing holy terms as a Theist now?
No.
You are trying to realise the meaning to infer you can use it in machines reactions.
So you murder the dust holy arising inside your science machine. As humans science is machine...science in control as science. The exact place position science of men own.
As science doesn't own holy life with God.
So you ought to stop lying satanic theisms....as you don't own any term science to allow holy life to exist in nature.
You quote holy readings and already are aware you don't read it by its teachings. You try to force it to be a humans machine theism. As your pre want is about reactive machines. Not the teaching at all.
B read in your letter data terms was ABBA father's mantle cloak. Earths natural heavens isn't a human father either.
As letter to number was a alpha beta reading. The reading was a teaching that said man used words to thesis first. He however used numbered calculus to change fused mass.
I hence studied what they caused proving by words that formed by lettered number that yes men of science had theoried earths newly gained sun sink holes.
By taking life in holy water and burning it to death in our microbial life type. Organisms plus mineral destruction held in evaporating water.
Stating old sink holes emptied became changed sink holes...dried out. As well inference.
New sink holes opened before by science held water first but it began evaporating emptying also. Wells drying out.
Detailing all advices earth was going to Inherit its old laws. Non stop hurricane lightning tornado land flooding events caused by science.
As new holes opened emptied of water.
Pyramid wasn't using wells.
It owned pyramid window opened and water pumped over cooling the heated casement.
Which states you might have cooled your technology yet earths ground wasn't being cooled by your scientists control.
Sin hole opened. Gods body flesh not saved. No holy arising.
Humans living by healthy water conditions holy died sacrificed the teaching.
Rich man the actual king of technology and his human evil men lords of trade sacrificed their life's too.
As king lord meaning man theist of science machine.
So don't over lord life was our teaching.
As natural man living man was never a lord.
Data doesn't speak on behalf of natural human living psychic healer notification consciousness. Not written in the book actually.
Humans said we arent Jesus and men aren't lords. When you're mutual equal natural family life first advice.
First advice isnt any number 1.
Conscious human. Liar scientist.
Did you intend to maintain earths flour...dusts by gods status. Fused dust allowed living arising laws coldest greatest? Rock with dust water arising?
No...no intention whatsoever about holiness of dusts.
Dusts sealed as gods now by all coldest had allowed the arising living earth ground organisms to lift up in waters natural evaporation. Holy water life body arising.
From dusts like flour holy. Microbiology living like a yeast in bread. Inferences only. The mineral dust and living organisms arise in the holy water body.
Inferences given to humans who owned no scientific understanding. Allowed them to be taught how life was being destroyed.
Giving of life by those holy terms. Is an analogy meaning only.
Did you or are you referencing holy terms as a Theist now?
No.
You are trying to realise the meaning to infer you can use it in machines reactions.
So you murder the dust holy arising inside your science machine. As humans science is machine...science in control as science. The exact place position science of men own.
As science doesn't own holy life with God.
So you ought to stop lying satanic theisms....as you don't own any term science to allow holy life to exist in nature.
You quote holy readings and already are aware you don't read it by its teachings. You try to force it to be a humans machine theism. As your pre want is about reactive machines. Not the teaching at all.
B read in your letter data terms was ABBA father's mantle cloak. Earths natural heavens isn't a human father either.
As letter to number was a alpha beta reading. The reading was a teaching that said man used words to thesis first. He however used numbered calculus to change fused mass.
I hence studied what they caused proving by words that formed by lettered number that yes men of science had theoried earths newly gained sun sink holes.
By taking life in holy water and burning it to death in our microbial life type. Organisms plus mineral destruction held in evaporating water.
Stating old sink holes emptied became changed sink holes...dried out. As well inference.
New sink holes opened before by science held water first but it began evaporating emptying also. Wells drying out.
Detailing all advices earth was going to Inherit its old laws. Non stop hurricane lightning tornado land flooding events caused by science.
As new holes opened emptied of water.
Pyramid wasn't using wells.
It owned pyramid window opened and water pumped over cooling the heated casement.
Which states you might have cooled your technology yet earths ground wasn't being cooled by your scientists control.
Sin hole opened. Gods body flesh not saved. No holy arising.
Humans living by healthy water conditions holy died sacrificed the teaching.
Rich man the actual king of technology and his human evil men lords of trade sacrificed their life's too.
As king lord meaning man theist of science machine.
So don't over lord life was our teaching.
As natural man living man was never a lord.
Data doesn't speak on behalf of natural human living psychic healer notification consciousness. Not written in the book actually.
Humans said we arent Jesus and men aren't lords. When you're mutual equal natural family life first advice.
First advice isnt any number 1.
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WonderingWorrier
Active Member
Jesus said:
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled".
I agree with that statement.
Because prophecies can be fulfilled in the mind of an individual at any moment in time
The prophecies in the Bible were fulfilled the moment they were spoken. Then it would be up to individuals whether or not they will experience them happening in their lifetime. Prophecies are fulfilled as individual understanding of the words is reached.
The prophecies and laws are woven into each other as a whole.
For example:
Layer 1: Moon - Star - Sun
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; Luke.
Layer 2: Spear - Sword - Bow
Therefore set I in the lower places behind the wall, and on the higher places, I even set the people after their families with their swords, their spears, and their bows.
Here are the two layers joined together:
Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Moon - Star - Sun
Spear - Sword - Bow
Here are the two layers being woven together:
The sun and moon stood still in their habitation: at the light of thine arrows they went, and at the shining of thy glittering spear. Habakkuk.
Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Moon - Star - Sun
Spear - Sword - Bow
So the sword would have to be the star to be considered correct.
Consider the sword being the sword of Eden mentioned in Genesis.
Because stars are figs.
Group1 - Group2 - Group3
Moon - Star - Sun
Spear - Sword - Bow
Pomegranate - Fig - Apple
Like in the prophecy of Revelation.
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Revelation.
In Genesis Adam and Eve wore Fig leaves in Eden.
So if the sword is a star, and the star is a fig, then the sword is also a fig.
Which further verifies it as being the sword of Eden, because the stars are as figs.
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
I support Freedom of Speech. With Freedom of Speech you make the World almost Full with error with a tiny spec of Truth, like a Needle in a Haystack.
There are two types of Liberty that the Few Elect Cross and Inverted Cross Practitioners obtain.
Nobody is Unbiased. You are Biased about Freedom of Speech while others like Totalitarians are Biased about Suppression. I Am Biased about Religion while others are Biased about Atheism.
Yes, Faith is believing in something without knowledge.
To be Truly Religions you must be Opinionated, as this is outpouring of True Conviction.
Given that you have translated the word "Slagtog" correctly, this appears to be a Message from Elohim's/God's instrument the Devil/Satan instructing you to do something. That means you will be Vessel to get others to think more deeply about the Holy Scriptures/Bible, although you yourself, @WonderingWorrier, will Perish and Not be Saved.
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
What do you mean by the word "Learn"?
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
Are you being Persecuted?
To the 2.2 Christians in Christendom and on these Forums, are you considering these Strange Doctrines? Is this stuff Satanic Deceptive Error?
Elihoenai
Well-Known Member
Let's investigate if I'm making False Claims.
Yeshua Messiah/Jesus Christ is raised practicing Torah Perfectly and his Teachings recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures/New Testament is from the Torah. Therefore, the Hebrew Scriptures/Holy Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation is a Unified Whole. @paarsurrey Are you challenging this?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
One was simply to quote from Jesus as requested by me, please.
Else, it is you who have challenged Jesus, when he never claimed as such, please, right?
Regards
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I am not opposing one, I am just helping one , please. Right?