WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[3rdAngel]

The question was purposely designed to fail.

Not really. The question is an honest truthful question based on an honest and truthful observation. Nothing more nothing less.

There is no scriptures that claims an abolishment of the Sabbath…

Exactly. That is the point of this OP

Sabbath IS A GOOD THING whether anyone is Jewish, Christian, Muslim… or whatever.

Yes it is. The Sabbath is also one of God's 10 commandments from Exodus 20:8-11 that gives us a knowledge of what sin is when broken and righteousness when obeyed (see 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172) and a sign of who Gods people truly are (see Ezekiel 20:20).

Sabbath’ means the setting aside of a day in a seven-day week (typically, the twenty four hour period Friday night to Saturday night, for corporate worship).

According to the scriptures that Sabbath is the "seventh day" of the week in Gods time to time as we know it is Friday sunset to Saturday sunset. According to the scriptures we are not to do any, business, secular work, shopping, buying and selling. It is a day of rest we are to set aside for God and doing good that Jesus made for all those who believe and obey His Word see Matthew 12:1-12.

In a single society, such as that of the Israelites and then the Jews, it was mandatory that the whole nation set aside one single specific day for this event. But as the world of single true deity (‘God’: YAHWEH) grew, the many peoples cannot all set aside the one single day. There is a great need for certain groups of people who, though believers, cannot set aside their work on a single specific day. These would set aside another day on which to SABBATH.

According to the scriptures Jesus says that the Sabbath was made for mankind not the Jews (see Mark 2:27-28). There was no Israel or Jew when God made the Sabbath for all mankind. There was only Adam and Eve who were created on the 6th day of the creation week (see Genesis 1:26-31 and Genesis 2:1-3). The Sabbath is defined in the spoken and written Word of God as the "Seventh day of the week not any day of the week as stated in the commandment in Exodus 20:10. According to the scriptures in the new testament Gods Israel are no longer all those who are born of the flesh of the seed of Abraham *Romans 9:6-8 but are now all those who have been born again to walk in Gods Spirit through faith in his Word *Galatians 5:16; John 3:3-7 compare 1 John 3:6-9. A Jew is no longer a Jew in the flesh but one in Spirit who has been circumcised in the heart to love God and keep His commandments (see Romans 2:28-29 compare Galatians 3:28-29). According to the scriptures we are to believe and obey what Gods Word says (see Acts 5:29; Acts 5:32). Anything less is sin according to the scriptures.

Notice that Jesus Christ taught that, though there was a time when ‘the all’ would worship (which included ‘Sabbathing‘) on the great mountain as the Samaritans wrongly did, or in Jerusalem as the Jews did, THERE IS COMING A TIME WHEN NEITHER PHYSICAL PLACES ARE THE TRUE PLACE OF WORSHIP.
Where is the true place of worship? Where is the true place to Sabbath? The true place to worship and Sabbath is IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH!!! What does this mean? It means that WHERE EVER YOU SABBATH, WHERE EVER YOU WORSHIP, God has deemed it acceptable by EACH INDIVIDUAL to do so as the situation finds them.

The scripture you are referring to here is from John 4:21-24 and says

• JOHN 4:21-24 21, Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour comes, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22, Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23, But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him. 24, God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The meaning of the scripture is that according to Jesus there will be a time (now is) that Gods true worshipers will worship the father in Spirit and in truth. The bible defines truth that we are saved by as Gods Word (see John 17:17). So Gods "true worshipers" will worship God by believing and obeying what Gods Word says. The scriptures do not say anywhere here that we worship God by breaking the Sabbath. That would be the opposite of worshiping the father in spirit and in truth. We do not worship God by not believing and obeying Gods Word. According to the scriptures this is the very definition of what sin is and what the children of the devil do according to 1 John 3:6-10. Your words therefore have no truth in them and are teaching others to break Gods commandments and sin. (see 1 John 2:3-4).

Do not judge Bible Hub your comfy Monday to Friday job, do not judge by your cosy fitting role that allows you to Sabbath on a Saturday… the global world is a round the clock twenty four hour seven day a week conglomerate. We are not all Sunday… Monday to Friday … workers nor societies. Should a nurse stop their weekly work on Friday night - stop nursing? Here’s a dilemma, then!! Seven days a week because it’s good to do nursing on a sabbath day… So, what if that nurse Sabbaths and worships God on a different day because the DAY OF REST given to them is, say, Wednesday?

There is no dilemma. According to the scriptures, Jesus says it is lawful do do good on the Sabbath to save life (see Matthew 12:1-12)

So, SABBATH is not abolished - no one ever really claims so - What is happening is that THERE IS NO ABSOLUTE that SABBATH needs to be FRIDAY NIGHT TO SATURDAY NIGHT but ‘A day of rest in which we glorify God, do good, and REST from our normal work’ especially if that work was concerned with purely personal and or monetary gain. Every one needs a Sabbath day irrespective of personal ethics…. No one should work seven days a week. Is that Sabbath day to rest, worship God, and do good!!

According to the scriptures Gods Sabbath is not any day of the week. It is God who says that the His Sabbath is the "seventh day" of the week. It is a sign for Gods people that we worship the true God of creation and a memorial of God as our creator of heaven and earth that we all must answer to come judgement day.

• EXODUS 20:10 10, BUT THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD: in it thou shalt not do any work..
• EZEKIEL 20:20 20, And KEEP HOLY MY SABBATHS; AND THEY SHALL BE A SIGN BETWEEN ME AND YOU THAT YOU MAY KNOW I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD.

No one can claim to worship God in Spirit and in truth or even to know God if they do not believe and obey what Gods Word says. According to the scriptures those who do and teach these things are the lost who do not know God according to the scriptures in Matthew 7:21-23; 1 John 2:3-4; and the children of the devil see 1 John 3:6-10.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

You are smart.

According to the scriptures it is not a smart thing to not believe God and to disobey Gods Word. This is the very definition of what sin is and the penalty of known unrepentant sin is death and the judgements of God according to the scriptures (e.g. Ezekiel 18:4, Hebrews 10:26-31; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23).

Take Care

 

[3rdAngel]

I believe there are dispensations. One is not able to sacrifice in the Temple because it no longer exists. We no longer rest on Saturday because God wishes us to honor Jesus. The Sabbath of old is still observed by those who wish to dishonor Jesus and thereby God.

According to the scriptures we are in the New covenant not the Old covenant and we no longer need to follow the old covenant laws of atonement with animal sacrifices and sin offering which were prophetic pointing to Jesus as Gods promised Messiah and Gods true sacrifice for the sins of the world once and for all (see John 1:29; 36; Hebrews 7:1-26; Hebrews 8:1-13; Hebrews 9:1-27 and Hebrews 10:1-22).

This does not mean that God 10 commandments that were spoken by God and written with Gods own finger have been abolished. According to the scriptures everyone of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the New Covenant the standard for good (moral right doing when obeyed) and evil (moral wrong doing when disobeyed); sin (moral wrong doing when disobeyed) and righteousness (moral right doing when obeyed) see *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 and Psalms 119:172.

According to Jesus in Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus did not come to do away with Gods 10 commandments but to fulfill them (obey them) and not a jot of title was to be taken away from them. James also agrees with this when he talks about Gods 10 commandments in James 2:10-11 and says if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them.

According to Hebrews 10:26-31 if we continue in known unrepentant sin after God gives us a knowledge of the truth of His Word and we choose to reject it we will be in danger of the judgements of God according to the scriptures. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that teaches Jesus is the Sabbath. According to God the Sabbath is defined as the seventh day of the week in the 10 commandments. See Exodus 20:10. You are following man-made teachings and traditions of the Roman Catholic Church and disregarding the scriptures against the very warnings of Jesus given in Matthew 15:3-9.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

The secular world puts spiritual matters lower than other matters.

If I write a response with spiritual matters in mind, it must he read that way. I don’t think I was setting secular matters as the purpose of Sabbath day activities.

We must also, though, remember that we can do secular work on the Sabbath. There is no restriction on the sabbath day to doing secular work - the guidance, for guidance it is, is that we keep the day holy. It is not UNHOLY to ‘Mow the lawn’!!!

We could, for instance, wash the car in preparation for an important meeting. Is that unholy?…. When else could that be done if it is required the day after the Sabbath?

God did not set aside a day of rest and worship to be a stranglehold on us. That’s what Jesus meant when he told the people; ‘The Sabbath was made for [the benefit of] man - not man for the Sabbath!’. God simply as that we keep it holy by using it to DO GOOD and WORSHIP GOD… it doesn’t mean ‘All day’ if there are ‘not unholy things’ we need to do that we cannot get done at another time.

Your words are unsupported by scripture and disagree with scripture and teach those who read them to sin (break Gods Commandments). Gods Words disagree with your words that are not Gods Word as shown in the scriptures below and your claims that we can do our own work on Gods Sabbath which is sin according to the scriptures.

EXODUS 20:8-11 8, REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY TO KEEP IT HOLY. 9, Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: 10, But THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD: IN IT YOU SHALL DO NO WORK, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates:11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.​

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JAMES 2:10-11 10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. NOW IF YOU COMMIT NO ADULTERY YET IF YOU KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF THE LAW.​

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1 JOHN 3:4 4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.​

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1 JOHN 2:3-4 3, And HEREBY WE KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. 4, HE THAT SAYS I KNOW HIM AND KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS IS A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM.​

According to the scriptures above if we claim to know God but do not keep Gods commandments we are lying and the truth is not in us.

Something to pray about.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: Why would that be? Its a question for anyone professing to Christianity. We cannot claim to be Christian if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments. That is the very definition of what sin is according to James 2:10-11; compare 1 John 3:4; 1 John 2:3-4; Matthew 7:21-23; John 3:36; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; Proverbs 28:13; Matthew 5:17-21 etc... etc. Its a question for all of Christianity as 99% break Gods Sabbath commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) and there is not a single scripture in all the bible that teaches anywhere that Gods seventh day Sabbath commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. This is simply a man-made teaching and tradition promoted by the Roman Catholic Church that is unsupported by the scriptures that the whole world of Christianity follows (accept for a few). This is why no one has been able to answer the question of this OP.

Your response here...

Whatevs

ok

 

[3rdAngel]

So in summary after 55 pages and 1085 replies there is not a single scripture in all the bible that teaches that Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honour of the resurrection of Jesus. Makes me think we have been taught lies at Sunday school and we are following man-made teachings and traditions that Jesus warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9. The question therefore we should be asking ourselves is, "If breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin, then are we following God and His Word or not following God and His Word?" Something to pray about.

Take Care

 

[IndigoChild5559]

So in summary after 55 pages and 1085 replies there is not a single scripture in all the bible that teaches that Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments has now been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honour of the resurrection of Jesus. Makes me think we have been taught lies at Sunday school and we are following man-made teachings and traditions that Jesus warns us about in Matthew 15:3-9. The question therefore we should be asking ourselves is, "If breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments is sin, then are we following God and His Word or not following God and His Word?" Something to pray about.

Take Care

This tells me that you are not really reading the posts people are addressing to you.

 

[3rdAngel]

This tells me that you are not really reading the posts people are addressing to you.

Your post only tells me you are not telling the truth. As can be seen throughout this OP, there is not a single post that has not been responded to with a detailed scripture response in support of this OP. If you disagree prove your claims. If you cannot you quoting you does not trump Gods Word that is in disagreement with you. Your argument therefore is with God not me whose words you do not agree with. If you disagree please post me a single link to a single post that disagrees with this OP that has not already been refuted with scripture? If you cannot why make up things that are not true?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Your argument therefore is with God not me

Quite the reverse.

 

[3rdAngel]

Quite the reverse.

Well that is not true. You quoting you disagreeing with scripture which is Gods Word not my words is you arguing with God whose Words you do not believe. Does that not worry you? It should. According to the scriptures it is the Words of God we accept or reject that will become our judge come judgement day (John 12:47-48).

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Well that is not true. You quoting you disagreeing with scripture which is Gods Word not my words is you arguing with God whose Words you do not believe. Does that not worry you? It should. According to the scriptures it is the Words of God we accept or reject that will become our judge come judgement day (John 12:47-48).

Your ASSUMPTION is that scriptures are the equivilent of God. They are NOT. They are books written by men, men who tried very hard to discern what God would want, but fallible men nonetheless. And these men had no understanding of the techniques of modern historians, or any conception of science. This is why religious texts in general cannot be used as evidence. For example, you wouldn't conclude that Krishna exists simply because the Vedas talk about him.

 

[3rdAngel]

3rdAngel said: Well that is not true. You quoting you disagreeing with scripture which is Gods Word not my words is you arguing with God whose Words you do not believe. Does that not worry you? It should. According to the scriptures it is the Words of God we accept or reject that will become our judge come judgement day (John 12:47-48).

Your response here...

Your ASSUMPTION is that scriptures are the equivilent of God. They are NOT. They are books written by men, men who tried very hard to discern what God would want, but fallible men nonetheless. And these men had no understanding of the techniques of modern historians, or any conception of science. This is why religious texts in general cannot be used as evidence. For example, you wouldn't conclude that Krishna exists simply because the Vedas talk about him.

Your unbelief in Gods Word is where your problem lies. Scripture is Gods Word not the teachings and traditions of men that lead others to break the commandments of God as it is written in 2 Timothy 3:16 16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Again, you quoting you disagreeing with scripture which is Gods Word not my words is you arguing with God whose Words you do not believe. Does that not worry you? It should. According to the scriptures it is the Words of God we accept or reject that will become our judge come judgement day (John 12:47-48).

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Again, you quoting you disagreeing with scripture which is Gods Word not my words is you arguing with God whose Words you do not believe. Does that not worry you? It should. According to the scriptures it is the Words of God we accept or reject that will become our judge come judgement day (John 12:47-48).

Again, scriptures are not the equivalent of God.

 

[3rdAngel]

Again, scriptures are not the equivalent of God.

Sure they are. That is why you are only micro-quoting my posts and not posting the scripture provided in the same post you are quoting from that is in disagreement with you from 2 Timothy 3:16 that says 16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Again, you quoting you disagreeing with scripture which is Gods Word not my words is you arguing with God whose Words you do not believe. Does that not worry you? It should. According to the scriptures it is the Words of God we accept or reject that will become our judge come judgement day (John 12:47-48).

 

[Sargonski]

Hey guys

Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word.

That is only for the Israelites ... and later the Jews . only for God's Chosen people .. Jesus was sent for these Chosen one's of God .. the lost sheep of Israel .. to turn them away from the demiurge .. and to the one true God of Abraham .. "The Father" .. who's day is not Saturday but the day of the Sun .. as it is from the Sun through which the one true God blesses his people.

 

[Sargonski]

Your response here...

Your unbelief in Gods Word is where your problem lies. Scripture is Gods Word not the teachings and traditions of men that lead others to break the commandments of God as it is written in 2 Timothy 3:16 16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness. Again, you quoting you disagreeing with scripture which is Gods Word not my words is you arguing with God whose Words you do not believe. Does that not worry you? It should. According to the scriptures it is the Words of God we accept or reject that will become our judge come judgement day (John 12:47-48).

What is this pompous nonsense ... claiming 2 Timothy - a piece of Pseudopigrapha written 100 years after the death of our lord by an unknown Pious fraudster .. .. is "God's word" ?

"Gods Word not my words is you arguing with God whose Words you do not believe "- God's word you say ..every single word .. the Bible 100% God Breathed .. really now .. are you sure about this but before we go further .... Which God of the Bible is the one doing the breathing ? .. Is it Marduk, Baal, El Elyon, YHWH, or the mighty God Sataniel ? or one of Gods other Sons ?

Your second task .. "According to Scripture" Do we kill children for the sins of their parents -- or, do we follow the fantastic command, in part on which the Rule of Law is based, that Children not be killed for the sins of the Father.

.. which is the God breathed instruction . and which God ?

 

[3rdAngel]

That is only for the Israelites ... and later the Jews . only for God's Chosen people .. Jesus was sent for these Chosen one's of God .. the lost sheep of Israel .. to turn them away from the demiurge .. and to the one true God of Abraham .. "The Father" .. who's day is not Saturday but the day of the Sun .. as it is from the Sun through which the one true God blesses his people.

Hey @Sargonski nice to meet you. According to Jesus in Mark 2:27 the Sabbath was made for all mankind. There was no Israelite, no Jew, no Moses when God made the Sabbath on the seventh day of the creation week and blessed the seventh day and made the seventh day a holy day of rest for all mankind. According to the scriptures there was only Adam and Eve created on the sixth day of creation in Genesis 1:26-31.

 

[3rdAngel]

What is this pompous nonsense ... claiming 2 Timothy - a piece of Pseudopigrapha written 100 years after the death of our lord by an unknown Pious fraudster .. .. is "God's word" ?

"Gods Word not my words is you arguing with God whose Words you do not believe "- God's word you say ..every single word .. the Bible 100% God Breathed .. really now .. are you sure about this but before we go further .... Which God of the Bible is the one doing the breathing ? .. Is it Marduk, Baal, El Elyon, YHWH, or the mighty God Sataniel ? or one of Gods other Sons ?

Your second task .. "According to Scripture" Do we kill children for the sins of their parents -- or, do we follow the fantastic command, in part on which the Rule of Law is based, that Children not be killed for the sins of the Father.

.. which is the God breathed instruction . and which God ?

Please forgive me but I do not believe in Catholic teachings. I prefer what the scriptures teach. According to the scriptures, in 2 Timothy 3:16 16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and only Gods Word is true (Romans 3:4) and we should believe and follow them (see John 3:36; Acts 5:29).

Take Care.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Sure they are.

Perhaps if you say it 100x it will magically come true.

 

[3rdAngel]

Perhaps if you say it 100x it will magically come true.

No need. Scripture is my witness.