WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[Sargonski]

Please forgive me but I do not believe in Catholic teachings. I prefer what the scriptures teach. According to the scriptures, in 2 Timothy 3:16 16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and only Gods Word is true (Romans 3:4) and we should believe and follow them (see John 3:36; Acts 5:29).

Take Care.

You are forgiven for disbelief in Catholic Dogma - just wondering what dogma you are talking about though .. I may well disbelieve it as well.

Pseudopigrapha = Paul did not author 2 Timothy .. it was some mystery author who wrote in the name of Paul .. a common bit of pious fraud .. but of no moment .. it is the teaching of scripture we are after.

As for your claim that you prefer what scripture teaches - I see no evidence of this claim. To the contrary you are deflecting and running from what is taught in scripture. Was the scriptural question too difficult for you ? This is one of the big ones .. thought you might have heard of it .. being one professing to have scriptural knowledge.

So again - What is taught in scripture about killing the child for the sins of the Father ... do we kill the child or follow the command not to kill the child for the sins of the parents, relatives, townsfolk .. not engage in "collective punishment" .. according to what scripture teaches ?

or do you not know what scripture teaches on the subject ? . which is fine .. we can then have a learning moment.

If you know the answer that scripture teaches .. then state it .. state which God is doing the "Breathing" of this God breathed scripture.

 

[3rdAngel]

As for your claim that you prefer what scripture teaches - I see no evidence of this claim.

Perhaps you should start with the OP and work through the thread. I have posted scripture in support of what I believe here. This can be seen through all my posts. The scriptures which are Gods Word not mine are the evidence that proves your claims here untruthful. For me only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them. Our words do not mean much if they are in disagreement with what God says (Romans 3:4; Acts 5:29.

To the contrary you are deflecting and running from what is taught in scripture.

Well that statement has no truth in it. I have only provided scripture and what is taught in the scriptures all through this OP.

Was the scriptural question too difficult for you ? This is one of the big ones .. thought you might have heard of it .. being one professing to have scriptural knowledge.

Nope I already answered your question with scripture. Again according to the scriptures, in 2 Timothy 3:16 16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and only Gods Word is true (Romans 3:4) and we should believe and follow them (see John 3:36; Acts 5:29). Again only Gods Words (the scriptures) are the only standard and definition of what is true and what is not true. What is right and what is wrong and we should believe and follow them.

So again - What is taught in scripture about killing the child for the sins of the Father ... do we kill the child or follow the command not to kill the child for the sins of the parents, relatives, townsfolk .. not engage in "collective punishment" .. according to what scripture teaches ?

We are to believe and obey what Gods Word says; It is written in Deuteronomy 24:16 16, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Therefore if you continue in your sins you will die in your sins.

If you know the answer that scripture teaches .. then state it .. state which God is doing the "Breathing" of this God breathed scripture.

Lets be honest the scriptures are the only definition of what truth is (see John 17:17; Romans 3:4). Which is why I have been sharing the scriptures in this OP because the scriptures are the only standard of truth and tell us what is true and what is not true. Now have you something to contribute to this OP? I am gathering not.

Take care.

 

[Sargonski]

Perhaps you should start with the OP and work through the thread. I have posted scripture in support of what I believe here. This can be seen through all my posts. The scriptures which are Gods Word not mine are the evidence that proves your claims here untruthful. For me only Gods Word is true and we should believe and follow them. Our words to not mean much if they are in disagreement with what God says (Romans 3:4; Acts 5:29.

Well that statement has no truth in it. I have only provided scripture and what is taught in the scriptures all through this OP.

Nope I already answered your question with scripture. Again according to the scriptures, in 2 Timothy 3:16 16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness and only Gods Word is true (Romans 3:4) and we should believe and follow them (see John 3:36; Acts 5:29). Again only Gods Words (the scriptures) are the only standard and definition of what is true and what is not true. What is right and what is wrong and we should believe and follow them.

We are to believe and obey what Gods Word says; It is written in Deuteronomy 24:16 16, The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin. Therefore if you continue in your sins you will die in your sins.

Lets be honest the scriptures are the only definition of what truth is (see John 17:17; Romans 3:4). Which is why I have been sharing the scriptures in this OP because the scriptures are the only standard of truth and tell us what is true and what is not true. Now have you something to contribute to this OP? I am gathering not.

Take care.

I told you about the Sabbath .. There has been no abolition -- but it is your 100% God Breathed claim that us under examination. You managed to answer the question with scripture .. kudo's for that but failed to give the name of the God.

" Every man shall be put to death for his own sin -- Children not to be put to death for the sins of the Father" Good job but which God says this .. as elsewhere in scripture we have a different God commanding that Children to be put to death for the sins of the father - relatives - townspeople and so on.

Which God are we to follow which scripture is breathed by the one true God ... and which by the evil false God ? and what are the names of each God so we can keep one straight from the other.

and last - your claim that all scripture is breathed by the one true God is demonstrable falsehood .. so glad we got that out of the way.

 

[3rdAngel]

I told you about the Sabbath .. There has been no abolition -- but it is your 100% God Breathed claim that us under examination. You managed to answer the question with scripture .. kudo's for that but failed to give the name of the God.

" Every man shall be put to death for his own sin -- Children not to be put to death for the sins of the Father" Good job but which God says this .. as elsewhere in scripture we have a different God commanding that Children to be put to death for the sins of the father - relatives - townspeople and so on.

Which God are we to follow which scripture is breathed by the one true God ... and which by the evil false God ? and what are the names of each God so we can keep one straight from the other.

and last - your claim that all scripture is breathed by the one true God is demonstrable falsehood .. so glad we got that out of the way.

I did not think you had anything to contribute to this OP. Lets chat more when you have something to contribute. You are correct that the Sabbath has not been abolished. It is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. If you do not believe scripture is inspired by God and is God breathed (2 Timothy 3:16) then I cannot help you but you should know that Jesus not me says in John 3:36 He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him. You are only demonstrating your own falsehoods so please forgive me if I do not believe you. What do you mean which God do I follow? The God of the bible of course who is our creator, the great I AM. There are no other gods.

Take Care.

 

[Sargonski]

I did not think you had anything to contribute to this OP. Lets chat more when you have something to contribute. You are correct that the Sabbath has not been abolished. It is one of Gods 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken. If you do not believe scripture is inspired by God and is God breathed (2 Timothy 3:16) then I cannot help you but you should know that Jesus not me says in John 3:36 He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him. You are only demonstrating your own falsehoods so please forgive me if I do not believe you. What do you mean which God do I follow? The God of the bible of course who is our creator, the great I AM. There are no other gods.

Take Care.

I did contribute .. you admiting this contribution "correct on the Sabbath" .. what else did you wish for. Then you laughably go off the OP .. addressing what I had also contributed .. but claiming I had nothing to contribute in some loopy circle of self deception couple with strange strawman fallacy.

Your claim that the scripture is 100% God Breathed was tested .. and you were found woefully wanting .. same with your attempt at a salvation formulation .. "Free Pass Ideology"

1) There are many different Gods in the Bible .. "The Great I AM" is not one of them but a God named YHWH showes up from time to time aka Yahu of the Shasu

2) Do we kill the child .. or do we not kill the Child .. Your answer "We let the Child Live" is stated by one of the Gods of the Bible.. "Kill the Child is stated by another God" .. unless you want to claim that this is actually the same God speaking .. and that this God is a flip flopping trickster God .. with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics.

So what is it Friend ? Lord YHWH .. Storm God .. Warrior God .. Son of EL == says kill the Child. You said Your God says let the Child live .. What is the name of your God ? because it isn't YHWH .. Slaughter every woman Child and Fetus is your answer from that God. Which God are you getting this "do not punish children for the sins of the Father" from .. cause it ain't YHWH .. one of the Son's of EL .. battling it out for the title Chief God on Earth ..

3) Salvation -- "Free Pass Ideology" -- Sorry friend .. but there is no free pass through Judgement .. Least not according to Jesus in his most famous Sermon on "Salvation" .. and not just one passage taken out context and misinterpreted friend.. but a whole sermon .. hence why the vast majority of Christianity does not accept Idol Martin's free pass ideology. I am sorry friend .. but there is big onus on you to explain "The Will of the FAther"

U understand ? "The Will of the Father" .. what be that .. according to Lord Jesus - in his most famous sermon .. in which he teaches us what is required for salvation ? and it is not "Just have Faith and you earn a free pass through Judgement" .. Im sorry friend .. but that ain't part of the story that you are going to tell us

Tell us what Jesus says is "The Will of the Father" .. from your and mine favorite Sermon. U understand question ? or is this going to be another deflection .. a desperate race over to Timothy for solace .. repeating 100% God Breathed to oneself .. over and over.. the mantra of thought stoppage .. anything to stop the bad message from Jesus from getting in.

 

[3rdAngel]

I did contribute .. you admiting this contribution "correct on the Sabbath" .. what else did you wish for.

Well you agreeing with me is not really much of a contribution in regards to this OP. You just stated you agree. That is a start though. I am glad we are in agreement that there is no scripture anywhere in the bible that teaches Gods 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a holy day in honor of the resurrection of Jesus.

Then you laughably go off the OP .. addressing what I had also contributed .. but claiming I had nothing to contribute in some loopy circle of self deception couple with strange strawman fallacy.

See previous section. I addressed your post out of courtesy. You did not contribute anything to this OP accept to agree with it.

Your claim that the scripture is 100% God Breathed was tested .. and you were found woefully wanting .. same with your attempt at a salvation formulation .. "Free Pass Ideology"

Nonsense. You were provided scripture evidence that is in disagreement with your opinion that says "ALL SCRIPTURE" is given by inspiration by God and is God breathed in 2 Timothy 3:16. This scripture is evidence from the scriptures proving that it is your opinion that is in disagreement with this scripture that is found woefully wanting as it proves your unbelief. Your argument seems to be with God and the scriptures that are in disagreement with you not me. So we will agree to disagree here.

1) There are many different Gods in the Bible .. "The Great I AM" is not one of them but a God named YHWH showes up from time to time aka Yahu of the Shasu

Same God not different gods. If you knew the God of the bible and His Word you would know this. I guess you do not know God or His Word. Happy to show why you are in error if you are interested.

2) Do we kill the child .. or do we not kill the Child .. Your answer "We let the Child Live" is stated by one of the Gods of the Bible.. "Kill the Child is stated by another God" .. unless you want to claim that this is actually the same God speaking .. and that this God is a flip flopping trickster God .. with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics.

See previous section. Scripture already provided to you in Deuteronomy 24:16

So what is it Friend ? Lord YHWH .. Storm God .. Warrior God .. Son of EL == says kill the Child. You said Your God says let the Child live .. What is the name of your God ? because it isn't YHWH .. Slaughter every woman Child and Fetus is your answer from that God. Which God are you getting this "do not punish children for the sins of the Father" from .. cause it ain't YHWH .. one of the Son's of EL .. battling it out for the title Chief God on Earth ..

See first response to you. Your repeating yourself again. Same God not different gods. If you knew the God of the bible and His Word you would know this. I guess you do not know God or His Word.

3) Salvation -- "Free Pass Ideology" -- Sorry friend .. but there is no free pass through Judgement .. Least not according to Jesus in his most famous Sermon on "Salvation" .. and not just one passage taken out context and misinterpreted friend.. but a whole sermon .. hence why the vast majority of Christianity does not accept Idol Martin's free pass ideology. I am sorry friend .. but there is big onus on you to explain "The Will of the FAther" U understand ? "The Will of the Father" .. what be that .. according to Lord Jesus - in his most famous sermon .. in which he teaches us what is required for salvation ? and it is not "Just have Faith and you earn a free pass through Judgement" .. Im sorry friend .. but that ain't part of the story that you are going to tell us Tell us what Jesus says is "The Will of the Father" .. from your and mine favorite Sermon. U understand question ? or is this going to be another deflection .. a desperate race over to Timothy for solace .. repeating 100% God Breathed to oneself .. over and over.. the mantra of thought stoppage .. anything to stop the bad message from Jesus from getting in.

What are you talking about. Who says there is a free pass? Our salvation is conditional on us believing and obeying what Gods Word says. Your post here does not make any sense to anything I have written or posted to you. Are you mixing my post up with someone else's?

 

[Sargonski]

Well you agreeing with me is not really much of a contribution in regards to this OP. You just stated you agree. That is a start though. I am glad we are in agreement that there is no scripture anywhere in the bible that teaches Gods 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a holy day in honor of the resurrection of Jesus.

See previous section. I addressed your post out of courtesy. You did not contribute anything to this OP accept to agree with it.

Nonsense. You were provided scripture evidence that is in disagreement with your opinion that says "ALL SCRIPTURE" is given by inspiration by God and is God breathed in 2 Timothy 3:16. This scripture is evidence from the scriptures proving that it is your opinion that is in disagreement with this scripture that is found woefully wanting as it proves your unbelief. Your argument seems to be with God and the scriptures that are in disagreement with you not me. So we will agree to disagree here.

Same God not different gods. If you knew the God of the bible and His Word you would know this. I guess you do not know God or His Word. Happy to show why you are in error if you are interested.

See previous section. Scripture already provided to you in Deuteronomy 24:16

See first response to you. Your repeating yourself again. Same God not different gods. If you knew the God of the bible and His Word you would know this. I guess you do not know God or His Word.

What are you talking about. Who says there is a free pass? Our salvation is conditional on us believing and obeying what Gods Word says. Your post here does not make any sense to anything I have written or posted to you. Are you mixing my post up with someone else's?

A whole lot of deflection and denial going on.. pretending not to remember previous posts

"Same God" - "If you knew the God of the Bible" "Deut 24:16" -

This was covered .. in Deut 24 God says children not to be killed for the sins of the Parent - and you claim that this is your God's Words .. a God whose name you do not know but run around telling others "If you knew the God of the Bible"

but . in other scripture .. God makes a law that children are to be killed for the sins of others - Parent - Relative - Townspeople. Obviously this one is the exact opposite of the other .. but you claim this is the same God.

Sorry Friend -- but, you have turned God into a Flip Flopping irrational trickster God .. one with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics .. a xenophobic genocidal maniac of sorts.

That is quite the sad depiction of God - and terrible blasphemy - putting God in a very nasty box - referred to as the abomination of desolation or "The Awfull Horror" .. Jesus refers to this as "The unforgivable Sin"

There are many God's in the Bible .. sorry no one told you this .. but it is not some Biblical Secret that the "Sons of the Supreme" God have some Godly powers.. .. but regardless - the God I worship is the King of Justice and Righteousness .. a representation of Truth .. the Prince of Peace .. This irrational nasty trickster God that tells you lies .. can't keep the Truth straight from one day to the next or remember his own edicts is not the God of the Bible I know friend ... so you got that much right.

Tell me the name of this God you worship .. I may know this God .. it is just that I do not worship this God. Sounds a little bit like the God Sataniel .. but, this god is not as malevolent .. and does not stray outside of the Supreme God's will.

I know of a God that is just as nasty as the one you describe .. xenophobic genocidal maniac with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics - but didn't realize he was a flip flopper - trickster God ? This is new information.

What is the name of this trickster God of the Bible you claim that others are not aware of .. ?

 

[3rdAngel]

A whole lot of deflection and denial going on.. pretending not to remember previous posts

Then it is best that you stop deflecting because its not conducive to a good conversation. Posting scripture in disagreement with your assertions is not deflecting it is showing you that your claims do not agree with the scriptures you do not believe.

"Same God" - "If you knew the God of the Bible" "Deut 24:16" - This was covered .. in Deut 24 God says children not to be killed for the sins of the Parent - and you claim that this is your God's Words .. a God whose name you do not know but run around telling others "If you knew the God of the Bible"

According to the scriptures God has many names. If you understand the Hebrew culture, names are only descriptions of the characters or traits of the children and have meaning. God cannot be described in a single name because he is God so has many names (descriptions) in the Hebrew and Greek. Still though it is the same God head.

God makes a law that children are to be killed for the sins of others - Parent - Relative - Townspeople. Obviously this one is the exact opposite of the other .. but you claim this is the same God.

Post the scripture and its context please. You were already posted Deuteronomy 24:16 showing that we all die for our own sins.

Sorry Friend -- but, you have turned God into a Flip Flopping irrational trickster God .. one with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics .. a xenophobic genocidal maniac of sorts. That is quite the sad depiction of God - and terrible blasphemy - putting God in a very nasty box - referred to as the abomination of desolation or "The Awfull Horror" .. Jesus refers to this as "The unforgivable Sin"

Not at all dear friend. It is your understanding of the scriptures that is at fault here. It seem from your posts, you do not know God or His Word. The God I know and worship from the bible is a God of judgement and justice for sin, and a God of love, mercy and grace to all those who love him and keep His commandments.

There are many God's in the Bible .. sorry no one told you this .. but it is not some Biblical Secret that the "Sons of the Supreme" God have some Godly powers.. .. but regardless - the God I worship is the King of Justice and Righteousness .. a representation of Truth .. the Prince of Peace .. This irrational nasty trickster God that tells you lies .. can't keep the Truth straight from one day to the next or remember his own edicts is not the God of the Bible I know friend ... so you got that much right.

Your post does not make any sense here. No one has posted any of the above to you. You were the one making claims of different gods in the bible in your last post as shown below.

Sargonski said:

1) There are many different Gods in the Bible .. "The Great I AM" is not one of them but a God named YHWH showes up from time to time aka Yahu of the Shasu So what is it Friend ? Lord YHWH .. Storm God .. Warrior God .. Son of EL == says kill the Child. You said Your God says let the Child live .. What is the name of your God ? because it isn't YHWH .. Slaughter every woman Child and Fetus is your answer from that God. Which God are you getting this "do not punish children for the sins of the Father" from .. cause it ain't YHWH .. one of the Son's of EL .. battling it out for the title Chief God on Earth ..

Your making discussions here no one is even talking about. Are you ok?

 

[Sargonski]

Then it is best that you stop deflecting because its not conducive to a good conversation. Posting scripture in disagreement with your assertions is not deflecting it is showing you that your claims do not agree with the scriptures you do not believe.

According to the scriptures God has many names. If you understand the Hebrew culture, names are only descriptions of the characters or traits of the children and have meaning. God cannot be described in a single name because he is God so has many names (descriptions) in the Hebrew and Greek. Still though it is the same God head.

Post the scripture and its context please. You were already posted Deuteronomy 24:16 showing that we all die for our own sins.

Not at all dear friend. It is your understanding of the scriptures that is at fault here. It seem from your posts, you do not know God or His Word. The God I know and worship from the bible is a God of judgement and justice for sin, and a God of love, mercy and grace to all those who love him and keep His commandments.

Your post does not make any sense here. No one has posted any of the above to you. You were the one making claims of different gods in the bible in your last post as shown below.

Your making discussions here no one is even talking about. Are you ok?

Good grief a bunch of nonsense once again.. "Post Scripture" ?? You seriously don't realize that Deut 24:16 is contradicted ? numerous times elsewhere in the Bible ? .. You have seriously never heard God Commanding "Collective Punishment" .. ordering the killing of everyone Women - Children - Babies - Fetuses .. and not just the enemies (which doesn't justify .. despite your desperate desire to deny) - but Israelite towns ..

Deut 13:12-16

12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God.

You claimed this multi named - noname God of yours commanded both -- A) Kill the child for sins of Father .. B) Do not kill the child for sins of Father.

So -- which command are you supposed to follow to be put right with this flip flopping xenophobic genocidal maniac trickster God - a God with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics of this many named God of yours .. but you can't tell us any of them.

The Scriptures do not state any name for YHWH other than YHWH - but is that one of the names of this two-face God . that you say has another name .. and what name would that be .. and which one commands killing for the sins of the Parent - Relatives - Townsfolk.

and not just children .. but babies and fetuses .. By following which command is one put right with this multi name trickster God ? and how do you know which path to Choose ?

 

[3rdAngel]

Good grief a bunch of nonsense once again.. "Post Scripture" ?? You seriously don't realize that Deut 24:16 is contradicted ? numerous times elsewhere in the Bible ? ..

Nope. It is your understanding of the scriptures that are in contradiction.

You have seriously never heard God Commanding "Collective Punishment" .. ordering the killing of everyone Women - Children - Babies - Fetuses .. and not just the enemies (which doesn't justify .. despite your desperate desire to deny) - but Israelite towns ..

Justice and judgements of God for sin. Ezekiel 18:4; Deuteronomy 24:16

You claimed this multi named - noname God of yours commanded both -- A) Kill the child for sins of Father .. B) Do not kill the child for sins of Father.

Nope. That is what you claim. The bible teaches we all die for our own sins and that we receive Gods judgements for our own sins.

So -- which command are you supposed to follow to be put right with this flip flopping xenophobic genocidal maniac trickster God - a God with the most petty and nasty of human characteristics of this many named God of yours .. but you can't tell us any of them.

It seems you neither know God or His Word. How sad for you.

The Scriptures do not state any name for YHWH other than YHWH - but is that one of the names of this two-face God . that you say has another name .. and what name would that be .. and which one commands killing for the sins of the Parent - Relatives - Townsfolk.

You need to pray and read your bible more. Then you will know what Gods Word says. Do you have anything to contribute to this OP now? I am guessing not.

 

[Sargonski]

Nope. It is your understanding of the scriptures that are in contradiction.

Justice and judgements of God for sin. Ezekiel 18:4; Deuteronomy 24:16

Nope. That is what you claim. The bible teaches we all die for our own sins and that we receive Gods judgements for our own sins.

It seems you neither know God or His Word. How sad for you.

You need to pray and read your bible more. Then you will know what Gods Word says. Do you have anything to contribute to this OP now? I am guessing not.

Oh this is just sad nonsense .. strait up denial.

If there is no contradiction.. then Answer the Question .. Does your God command A) that we kill the Child for the sins of the Parent .. or B) that we do not kill the child for the sins of the parent. as answering "Both" = Contradiction .. like you tried before.

How is one put right with this trickster multi named flip flopping xenophobic God of yours that has commanded both A) to slaughter the child along with his mother and her unborn fetus for the Sins of the Father - or B) do not slaughter the child for the Sins of the parents .. or anyone for the sins of another .. let each be responsible for his own sin.

Do we kill the Child to please this God of Yours .. or do we not kill the Child ? and "How sad you do not know God .. nor his Word" but most ridiculous is you claim this God has many names .. but, you don't know any of them.

and it is you who needs pray . to come up with what God Commands you to do to Children who's parents have sinned by turning to other Gods. I don't need prayer to come up with the right answer to that question friend ..

Sup mate -- should we kill the Child - the mother - and her unborn fetus because Daddy was out and had sex with the temple prostitute .. better get praying .. tell us the answer.

 

[3rdAngel]

Oh this is just sad nonsense .. strait up denial.

No not really dear friend. As posted earlier it is denial of your understanding of the torah and the bible that is the problem as proven earlier with the scriptures shared with you that you choose not to believe.

If there is no contradiction.. then Answer the Question .. Does your God command A) that we kill the Child for the sins of the Parent .. or B) that we do not kill the child for the sins of the parent. as answering "Both" = Contradiction .. like you tried before.

Not really dear friend. There is only contradiction in your eyes because you do not know God or His Word. Your claims here have already been answered earlier. Seems you did not like the answer. As posted earlier, God does not reward sin. The penalty of sin is death to all those who practice it. Gods justice and judgements has only ever fallen on mankind because of sin. Ezekiel 18:4; Deuteronomy 24:16. Gods mercy, love and grace are for all those who choose to believe and follow what Gods Word says (see John 3:36).

How is one put right with this trickster multi named flip flopping xenophobic God of yours that has commanded both A) to slaughter the child along with his mother and her unborn fetus for the Sins of the Father - or B) do not slaughter the child for the Sins of the parents .. or anyone for the sins of another .. let each be responsible for his own sin.

Do we kill the Child to please this God of Yours .. or do we not kill the Child ? and "How sad you do not know God .. nor his Word" but most ridiculous is you claim this God has many names .. but, you don't know any of them.

and it is you who needs pray . to come up with what God Commands you to do to Children who's parents have sinned by turning to other Gods. I don't need prayer to come up with the right answer to that question friend ..

Sup mate -- should we kill the Child - the mother - and her unborn fetus because Daddy was out and had sex with the temple prostitute .. better get praying .. tell us the answer.

See above. You are repeating yourself again. According to the scriptures if you continue in your sins and unbelief you will die in your sins and unbelief. It does not have to be this way for you. It is not too late for you to turn to God and repent of your sins. I will leave that between you and God. If you would like some help, please feel free to DM me.

Take care.

 

[Sargonski]

No not really dear friend. As posted earlier it is denial of your understanding of the torah and the bible that is the problem as proven earlier with the scriptures shared with you that you choose not to believe.

Not really dear friend. There is only contradiction in your eyes because you do not know God or His Word. Your claims here have already been answered earlier. Seems you did not like the answer. As posted earlier, God does not reward sin. The penalty of sin is death to all those who practice it. Gods justice and judgements has only ever fallen on mankind because of sin. Ezekiel 18:4; Deuteronomy 24:16. Gods mercy, love and grace are for all those who choose to believe and follow what Gods Word says (see John 3:36).

See above. You are repeating yourself again. According to the scriptures if you continue in your sins and unbelief you will die in your sins and unbelief. It does not have to be this way for you. It is not too late for you to turn to God and repent of your sins. I will leave that between you and God. If you would like some help, please feel free to DM me.

Take care.

You are projecting your failing to understand the Bible onto me friend.. this is not a difficult exercize .. Do we follow Gods command to kill the Child and the unborn fetus for his Father turning to other Gods .. or do we follow the other Gods command and spare the child.

Not hard friend .. either the child lives or dies on the basis of your God's command. Do you not believe in the command of your God .. and as such .. will suffer the fate you are trying to project onto others your penalty for Sin .. which is Death.

Do you wish to spare the child and Sin against your God .. or kill the child on Gods command and please your God ?

 

[3rdAngel]

You are projecting your failing to understand the Bible onto me friend..

Well aren't you the funny one trying to project your failings and lack of knowledge of God and His Word back to me? You have been shown why it is you who is projecting your failings from the scriptures and that you do not know God or His Word so we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Your argument therefore seems to be with God not me. I will let you take it up with Him. If you have anything to contribute to this OP lets chat more. If not then I will leave your words in disagreement with Gods Word you do not believe.

Do we follow Gods command to kill the Child and the unborn fetus for his Father turning to other Gods .. or do we follow the other Gods command and spare the child. Not hard friend .. either the child lives or dies on the basis of your God's command. Do you not believe in the command of your God .. and as such .. will suffer the fate you are trying to project onto others your penalty for Sin .. which is Death. Do you wish to spare the child and Sin against your God .. or kill the child on Gods command and please your God ?

Post the scriptures or make your own OP and lets discuss? At the moment I have no idea what you are talking about or what you are referring to and context in scripture is always important. From our discussion so far though it seems you neither know God or His Word but are simply an unbeliever seeking to justify your unbelief and sins. Its not a good place to walk in the darkness when Jesus has paid the penalty for your sins so you can walk in the light of His Word.

Take Care.

 

[Sargonski]

Well aren't you the funny one trying to project your failings and lack of knowledge of God and His Word back to me? You have been shown why it is you who is projecting your failings from the scriptures and that you do not know God or His Word so we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Your argument therefore seems to be with God not me. I will let you take it up with Him. If you have anything to contribute to this OP lets chat more. If not then I will leave your words in disagreement with Gods Word you do not believe.

Post the scriptures or make your own OP and lets discuss? At the moment I have no idea what you are talking about or what you are referring to and context in scripture is always important. From our discussion so far though it seems you neither know God or His Word but are simply an unbeliever seeking to justify your unbelief and sins. Its not a good place to walk in the darkness when Jesus has paid the penalty for your sins so you can walk in the light of His Word.

Take Care.

I posted Scripture ... That you claim to have no idea what I am talking about is laughable nonsense Friend. You are "simply an unbeliever seeking to justify his unbelief and sins" running from scripture because you can't bear what is written. The question is how is one put right with God .. and you were given a specific example from Scripture .. A Father who turns to the worship of other Gods .. similar to you.

Lord YHWH commands that the child be killed .. along with the Father , the Mother and the unborn fetus for this sin, contradicting the scripture you posted where God commands that children are not to be killed for the sins of the Father .. that each be punished only for his own sin.

What course of action should one take in order to be put right with Lord YHWH -- Will killing the child please your God .. is that the Path of Light or is YHWH not your God ?

 

[3rdAngel]

I posted Scripture ...

Yes which one supported anything that you said? Lets discuss.

That you claim to have no idea what I am talking about is laughable nonsense Friend.

I posted the truth supported by scripture that was in disagreement with you. This puts you in a bad light before God. I do not think it is anything to laugh about if I am being honest with you. God does not look lightly on unbelief and sin.

The question is how is one put right with God .. and you were given a specific example from Scripture .. A Father who turns to the worship of other Gods .. similar to you.

Well none of that is true. How is it turning to other Gods by pointing people to the scriptures of Gods Word that you choose not to believe? We point people to God by pointing them to the scriptures. It is by not believing God and His Word that people make other Gods and idols over their own opinions if they do not believe and obey what Gods Word says.

Lord YHWH commands that the child be killed .. along with the Father , the Mother and the unborn fetus for this sin, contradicting the scripture you posted where God commands that children are not to be killed for the sins of the Father .. that each be punished only for his own sin. What course of action should one take in order to be put right with Lord YHWH -- Will killing the child please your God .. is that the Path of Light or is YHWH not your God ?

You sound confused dear friend. You posting you is not Gods Word.

 

[Sargonski]

Yes which one supported anything that you said? Lets discuss.

I posted the truth supported by scripture that was in disagreement with you. This puts you in a bad light before God. I do not think it is anything to laugh about if I am being honest with you. God does not look lightly on unbelief and sin.

Well none of that is true. How is it turning to other Gods by pointing people to the scriptures of Gods Word that you choose not to believe? We point people to God by pointing them to the scriptures. It is by not believing God and His Word that people make other Gods and idols over their own opinions if they do not believe and obey what Gods Word says.

You sound confused dear friend. You posting you is not Gods Word.

This is either disingenuous oblivion or something I care not say.

"Not God's Word" - The demonstrable fact that you are not aware of "God's Word" - that you are not aware of what God commands in the example of collective punishment/killing children for the Sins of their Parents doesn't make me the confused one friend ?! This is not Truth ..but a some kind of self delusion coupled with falsehood.

Your God commands the following does he not ? Deut 8 12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock,

Your claim is clearly false. In the above passage God clearly commands that children be killed for the Sins of the Father. what are you confused about ? And who is the one choosing not to believe scripture claiming the above is not Gods word.

The fact scripture in other places contradicts "God's Word" in this passage is something that you are confused about.. Not me mate. You are the one that is confused .. claiming there is no contradiction .. obviously not knowing what a contradiction is.

So once again -- Do you understand that God Commands the killing of children for the sins of the Parents in the above passage .. are you able to at lease figure that much out ?

 

[3rdAngel]

This is either disingenuous oblivion or something I care not say.

It is not being disingenuous by sharing scripture with you that is in disagreement with your beliefs and teachings. It is actually being helpful and loving and correcting your misunderstanding of the scriptures which are Gods Words to all those who choose to believe and obey them and follow God through faith see 1 Timothy 3:15-16; John 3:36.

"Not God's Word" - The demonstrable fact that you are not aware of "God's Word" - that you are not aware of what God commands in the example of collective punishment/killing children for the Sins of their Parents doesn't make me the confused one friend ?! This is not Truth ..but a some kind of self delusion coupled with falsehood.

Well this is where you are just simply wrong dear friend. The scriptures are indeed Gods Word and yes I am aware of them *1 Timothy 3:15-16. According to the scriptures only Gods Word (the scriptures) are true and we should believe and follow them (see Romans 3:4; John 10:26-27 and Acts 5:29). It is not the scriptures that are the problem here is is your understanding and interpretation of them that is in error which is why I asked you for scripture references earlier so we can discuss the details of what you think these scriptures are saying and why I posted scripture earlier proving to you that God holds everyone accountable for their own sins from Deuteronomy.

Your God commands the following does he not ? Deut 8 12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock,

You only demonstrated you do not know the scriptures. The scriptures you quoted are not from Deuteronomy 8:12-15 they are from Deuteronomy 13:13-15. This is because it is sin for Gods people to break any one of Gods 10 commandments and if anyone in the old testament was caught in known unrepentant public sin under the civil laws of Israel it was the death penalty. This included all of Gods 10 commandments. Nothing has changed dear friend and there is no contradiction, only in your understanding of the scriptures. Just like it is in the old testament the wages of sin is still death to all those who choose to live in known unrepentant sin. In the old testament people were put to death for open sin because it was to teach people that the wages of sin is death. The only difference now is that we are in the new covenant now not the old. The wages of unrepentant sin is still death to all those who reject the gift of dear son (see Romans 6:23) but this will be carried out by God at judgement and the second coming. God is a God of love, mercy and grace to all those who believe and follow His Word but God is also a God of justice and judgement to all those who do not believe His Word and continue in known unrepentant sin after they have been given a knowledge of the truth of His Word (see Hebrews 10:26-31).

In the above passage God clearly commands that children be killed for the Sins of the Father. what are you confused about ? And who is the one choosing not to believe scripture claiming the above is not Gods word.

See above. The real question is what are you confused about? Your confusion is you do not know God or His Word. You are an unbeliever facing Gods justice and judgement. It does not have to be this way for you. You have free will to repent of your sins and return to God while there is still time. This is your decision though. No one can make the decision for you. This is a decision you need to make for yourself.

Take Care.

 

[Sargonski]

It is not being disingenuous by sharing scripture with you that is in disagreement with your beliefs and teachings. It is actually being helpful and loving and correcting your misunderstanding of the scriptures which are Gods Words to all those who choose to believe and obey them and follow God through faith see 1 Timothy 3:15-16; John 3:36.

Well this is where you are just simply wrong dear friend. The scriptures are indeed Gods Word and yes I am aware of them *1 Timothy 3:15-16. According to the scriptures only Gods Word (the scriptures) are true and we should believe and follow them (see Romans 3:4; John 10:26-27 and Acts 5:29). It is not the scriptures that are the problem here is is your understanding and interpretation of them that is in error which is why I asked you for scripture references earlier so we can discuss the details of what you think these scriptures are saying and why I posted scripture earlier proving to you that God holds everyone accountable for their own sins from Deuteronomy.

You only demonstrated you do not know the scriptures. The scriptures you quoted are not from Deuteronomy 8:12-15 they are from Deuteronomy 13:13-15. This is because it is sin for Gods people to break any one of Gods 10 commandments and if anyone in the old testament was caught in known unrepentant public sin under the civil laws of Israel it was the death penalty. This included all of Gods 10 commandments. Nothing has changed dear friend and there is no contradiction, only in your understanding of the scriptures. Just like it is in the old testament the wages of sin is still death to all those who choose to live in known unrepentant sin. In the old testament people were put to death for open sin because it was to teach people that the wages of sin is death. The only difference now is that we are in the new covenant now not the old. The wages of unrepentant sin is still death to all those who reject the gift of dear son (see Romans 6:23) but this will be carried out by God at judgement and the second coming. God is a God of love, mercy and grace to all those who believe and follow His Word but God is also a God of justice and judgement to all those who do not believe His Word and continue in known unrepentant sin after they have been given a knowledge of the truth of His Word (see Hebrews 10:26-31).

See above. The real question is what are you confused about? Your confusion is you do not know God or His Word. You are an unbeliever facing Gods justice and judgement. It does not have to be this way for you. You have free will to repent of your sins and return to God while there is still time. This is your decision though. No one can make the decision for you. This is a decision you need to make for yourself.

Take Care.

I quoted scripture from the Bible where God commands the killing of childern for the sins of the Father. You quote scripture where this flip flopping God Commands children are not to be killed for the sins of the Father and claim there is no contradiction.. sorry friend .. this is the definition of contradiction.

You then make the loopy claim that scripture was not provided .. when the post you are responding to gives you the scripture under discussion..(given below) God commanding children be killed for the sins of the Father.


then claim that I am the one confused and simply wrong .. then go on to deny that God does not command children be killed for the sins of the father.. claiming I didn't provide scripture.

Deut 13
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock.

God Commands not only the Children but the fetuses and women be killed for the sins of the townspeople -- What part of God commands killing of childern for the sins of the parents .. are you confused about ?

What does God command we do to the children in this passage .. Kill them for the sins of the father .. or not kill them for the sins of the father ?

 

[3rdAngel]

I quoted scripture from the Bible where God commands the killing of childern for the sins of the Father. You quote scripture where this flip flopping God Commands children are not to be killed for the sins of the Father and claim there is no contradiction.. sorry friend .. this is the definition of contradiction. You then make the loopy claim that scripture was not provided .. when the post you are responding to gives you the scripture under discussion..(given below) God commanding children be killed for the sins of the Father. then claim that I am the one confused and simply wrong .. then go on to deny that God does not command children be killed for the sins of the father.. claiming I didn't provide scripture. God Commands not only the Children but the fetuses and women be killed for the sins of the townspeople -- What part of God commands killing of childern for the sins of the parents .. are you confused about ? What does God command we do to the children in this passage .. Kill them for the sins of the father .. or not kill them for the sins of the father ?

Actually no that is not true at all. You posted the wrong scripture reference and you were corrected for your mistake where you not? Then you were shown the context of the scripture you provided to known unrepentant sin and the wages of sin being death for breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments which is consistent with the bibles teachings in both the old and new covenant scriptures. Your response was to simply ignore what was shared with you from the scriptures and continue in your sins and unbelief. As posted earlier, you only demonstrated you do not know the scriptures or Gods Word.

The scriptures you quoted were not from Deuteronomy 8:12-15 they are from Deuteronomy 13:13-15. The meaning and application of these scriptures is that open rebellious sin for Gods people under the civil laws of Israel was the death penalty. These laws were applied to all of Gods 10 commandments to teach Gods people that the wages or penalty of sin is death to those who continue practicing it. Nothing has changed dear friend and there is no contradiction, only in your understanding of the scriptures. The only difference now is that we are in the new covenant now not the old.

The wages of unrepentant sin is still death to all those who reject the gift of dear son (see Romans 6:23) but this will be carried out by God at judgement and the second coming. God is a God of love, mercy and grace to all those who believe and follow His Word but God is also a God of justice and judgement to all those who do not believe His Word and continue in known unrepentant sin after they have been given a knowledge of the truth of His Word (see Hebrews 10:26-31). Sorry dear friend, but as proven from the scriptures above, Gods Word disagrees with your words that are not Gods and you do not know God or His Word according to the scriptures.

Take care.