WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[Sargonski]

Hello again @Sargonski

As posted above in the post and scriptures you did not respond to and ignored, earlier according to the scriptures, you are trying to read into the scriptures what is not written in the scriptures leading you to not understand what the scriptures are saying. Here let me prove this claim to you by comparing what you are saying above to what the scriptures are saying that you posted. Notice that I am adding the completed context around these scriptures you quoted earlier that you were already corrected on from Deuteronomy 13:13-15.

• Deuteronomy 13:6-18 15, You shall surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, (for the sins of others)

Why do you continue to post the same thing - lying by saying your posted scripture was not responded to and ignored .. when it was responded to as follows

Your passage from Deut 13 describes collective Punishment. You stating that you managed to correct me on this true statement is pure lie

In the passage you quoted - God commands the Israelits to kill children for the sins of others. This contradicts God's claim that Children are not to be killed for the sins of others.

Which command are we to follow - are we to kill the child for the sins of their Father .. or Not ? -- You can't answer without making God a liar = contradiction friend

 

[3rdAngel]

Why do you continue to post the same thing - lying by saying your posted scripture was not responded to and ignored .. when it was responded to as follows

Your passage from Deut 13 describes collective Punishment. You stating that you managed to correct me on this true statement is pure lie

In the passage you quoted - God commands the Israelits to kill children for the sins of others. This contradicts God's claim that Children are not to be killed for the sins of others.

Which command are we to follow - are we to kill the child for the sins of their Father .. or Not ? -- You can't answer without making God a liar = contradiction friend

Please read the post you are responding to. You simply ignored it. The scriptures posted in this post you ignored is Gods Word and it is in disagreement with you. If you disagree that the post and scriptures you are refusing to address does not disagree with you then please address my post and scripture showing why you are in disagreement. If you cannot what is your argument? You have none. You simply have chosen to ignore the scriptures that are in disagreement with you that have already answered you.

Here let me post it again here so there is no wiggle room for you so it is easier for you to address...

As posted above in the post and scriptures you did not respond to and ignored, earlier according to the scriptures, you are trying to read into the scriptures what is not written in the scriptures leading you to not understand what the scriptures are saying. Here let me prove this claim to you by comparing what you are saying above to what the scriptures are saying that you posted. Notice that I am adding the completed context around these scriptures you quoted earlier that you were already corrected on from Deuteronomy 13:13-15.

• Deuteronomy 13:6-18 6, If your (Israel believers) brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend, which is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which you have not known, you, nor your fathers; 7, Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, near to you, or far off from you, from the one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth; 8, You shall not consent to him, nor listen to him; neither shall your eye pity him, neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him: 9, But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first on him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10, And you shall stone him with stones, that he die; because he has sought to thrust you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the 11, And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you. 12, If you shall hear say in one of your cities, which the LORD your God has given you to dwell there, saying, 13, Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which you have not known; 14, Then shall you inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is worked among you; 15, You shall surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16, And you shall gather all the spoil of it into the middle of the street thereof, and shall burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD your God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17, And there shall stick nothing of the cursed thing to your hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show you mercy, and have compassion on you, and multiply you, as he has sworn to your fathers; 18, When you shall listen to the voice of the LORD your God, to keep all his commandments which I command you this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD your God.

FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE

• These are Gods command to His people Israel for those Israelite's who seek to turn the people away from God to idolatry (Deut 13:6-18)
• It includes anyone from your own family or friends that entices a believer into idolatry (Deut 13:6-7)
• The believer should not listen or go with these people to practice idolatry (Deut 13:8)
• The believer will be the first to put them to death and then the rest of Israel by stoning (Deut 13:9-11)
• It punishment of idolatry included all of the cities of Israel that practiced idolatry should be put to death (Deut 13:12-15)
• This included utterly destroying all the belongings of this people (Deut 13:16-17)
• Gods mercy and favor was conditional on Gods people not practicing sin and keeping His commandments (Deut 13:18).

NOTE: For a whole city of Gods people to be engaged in open idolatry, to serve other false gods of the nations around them that God destroyed (put to death) for these sins would be a serious sin in Gods eyes because Gods people understood directly from God spoken and written words what sin was so they had no excuses to practice sin as they understood what the penalty of sin was. If the children were participating with the sins of the parents they are also sinning against God and would die in their own sins which is in agreement with the the scripture I posted you earlier from Deut 24:16 showing that we all die for our own sins. Remember here Deut 13:13-18 included the whole city not some of it. All of the above here is in agreement to what was shared earlier with you from the scriptures showing that the wages or penalty for sin in both the old and new testament is death. In the old testament torah this same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught publicly breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments and included;

• 1st Commandment, Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Exodus 20:3; Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20);
• 2nd Commandment, Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15);
• 3rd Commandment, Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Exodus 20:7; Leviticus 24:16);
• 4th Commandment Sabbath Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2;
• 5th Commandment honor your father and mother (Exodus 20:12; Exodus 21:15-17);
• 6th Commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20: 13; Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33);
• 7th Commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Exodus 20:14; Leviticus 20:10; John 8:3-5);
• 8th Commandment thou shall not steal kidnapping (Exodus 21:16);
• 9th Commandment thou shall not bear false witness (Deuteronomy 19:15-21) and the
• 10th Commandments thou shall not covet (Joshua 7:21-25)

As posted earlier these were Gods laws to the nation of Israel to teach Gods people that the penalty or wages of known unrepentant sin in Gods eyes is death. These civil laws to old covenant Israel ceased in the new covenant during the time of Christ when Israel was under Roman law and at the death of Christ bringing in the NC. The death penalty for sin and breaking Gods commandments however is still death for those that do not repent of their sins and seek Gods forgiveness of sin before the time of judgement is finished and the second coming when God will bring His judgements to all the worlds (Romans 6:23; James 2:8-12; Revelation 22:11-12). The only difference today is that we are in the new covenant now so we no longer put people to open death and we are not in the nation of Israel under their civil laws. The death penalty for sin is still the the same, however for those who reject the gift of God's dear son *see Romans 6:23 but Jesus says Vengeance is mine and his reward will be with him at the 2nd coming *Romans 12:19-21; Revelation 22:12 when God will put an end to all sin and suffering in this world.

So as proven above, from the scriptures there is no contradiction in the scriptures as you claim. Gods Word does not contradict itself. The contradiction is in your lack of understanding of the scriptures as demonstrated above. The penalty of sin is death according to the scriptures. Receive Gods Word and be blessed. Ignoring Gods Word does not make them disappear. They become our judge come judgement day according to Jesus in John 12:47-48. According to the scriptures if we continue in known unrepentant sin we are in danger of the judgement and will die in our sins (see Hebrews 10:26-31; John 3:36; Matthew 7:21-23). Receive Gods Words and correction and be blessed ignoring them does not make them disappear. According to the scriptures, the words of God we choose to accept or reject become our judge come judgement day see John 12:47-48

Take Care.

 

[Sargonski]

Please read the post you are responding to. You simply ignored it. The scriptures posted in this post you ignored is Gods Word and it is in disagreement with you. If you disagree that the post and scriptures you are refusing to address does not disagree with you then please address my post and scripture showing why you are in disagreement. If you cannot what is your argument? You have none. You simply have chosen to ignore the scriptures that are in disagreement with you that have already answered you.

Here let me post it again here so there is no wiggle room for you so it is easier for you to address...

As posted above in the post and scriptures you did not respond to and ignored, earlier according to the scriptures, you are trying to read into the scriptures what is not written in the scriptures leading you to not understand what the scriptures are saying. Here let me prove this claim to you by comparing what you are saying above to what the scriptures are saying that you posted. Notice that I am adding the completed context around these scriptures you quoted earlier that you were already corrected on from Deuteronomy 13:13-15.

• Deuteronomy 13:6-18 6, If your (Israel believers) brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend, which is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which you have not known, you, nor your fathers; 7, Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, near to you, or far off from you, from the one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth; 8, You shall not consent to him, nor listen to him; neither shall your eye pity him, neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him: 9, But you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first on him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. 10, And you shall stone him with stones, that he die; because he has sought to thrust you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the 11, And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you. 12, If you shall hear say in one of your cities, which the LORD your God has given you to dwell there, saying, 13, Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which you have not known; 14, Then shall you inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is worked among you; 15, You shall surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. 16, And you shall gather all the spoil of it into the middle of the street thereof, and shall burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the LORD your God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. 17, And there shall stick nothing of the cursed thing to your hand: that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show you mercy, and have compassion on you, and multiply you, as he has sworn to your fathers; 18, When you shall listen to the voice of the LORD your God, to keep all his commandments which I command you this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD your God.

FROM THE SCRIPTURES ABOVE

• These are Gods command to His people Israel for those Israelite's who seek to turn the people away from God to idolatry (Deut 13:6-18)
• It includes anyone from your own family or friends that entices a believer into idolatry (Deut 13:6-7)
• The believer should not listen or go with these people to practice idolatry (Deut 13:8)
• The believer will be the first to put them to death and then the rest of Israel by stoning (Deut 13:9-11)
• It punishment of idolatry included all of the cities of Israel that practiced idolatry should be put to death (Deut 13:12-15)
• This included utterly destroying all the belongings of this people (Deut 13:16-17)
• Gods mercy and favor was conditional on Gods people not practicing sin and keeping His commandments (Deut 13:18).

NOTE: For a whole city of Gods people to be engaged in open idolatry, to serve other false gods of the nations around them that God destroyed (put to death) for these sins would be a serious sin in Gods eyes because Gods people understood directly from God spoken and written words what sin was so they had no excuses to practice sin as they understood what the penalty of sin was. If the children were participating with the sins of the parents they are also sinning against God and would die in their own sins which is in agreement with the the scripture I posted you earlier from Deut 24:16 showing that we all die for our own sins. Remember here Deut 13:13-18 included the whole city not some of it. All of the above here is in agreement to what was shared earlier with you from the scriptures showing that the wages or penalty for sin in both the old and new testament is death. In the old testament torah this same death penalty was given to anyone who was caught publicly breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments and included;

• 1st Commandment, Thou shalt have no other gods before me (Exodus 20:3; Deuteronomy 17:1-5; 14:6-10; Exodus 22:20);
• 2nd Commandment, Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any idols (Exodus 20:4; Deuteronomy 27: 15);
• 3rd Commandment, Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord in vain (Exodus 20:7; Leviticus 24:16);
• 4th Commandment Sabbath Exodus 31:14-15; 35:2;
• 5th Commandment honor your father and mother (Exodus 20:12; Exodus 21:15-17);
• 6th Commandment thou shalt not kill (Exodus 20: 13; Leviticus 24:17; Numbers 35:31-33);
• 7th Commandment thou shalt not commit Adultery (Exodus 20:14; Leviticus 20:10; John 8:3-5);
• 8th Commandment thou shall not steal kidnapping (Exodus 21:16);
• 9th Commandment thou shall not bear false witness (Deuteronomy 19:15-21) and the
• 10th Commandments thou shall not covet (Joshua 7:21-25)

I did not ignore your post nor scripture posted .. why do you continue this lie - just reposting the same thing rather than respond - circular repetition of premise fallacy on steroids.

There is a contradiction in scripture .. one commanding collective punishment - Children to be killed for the sins of the Father - in another Children are not to be killed for the sins of the father - collective punishment forbidden - each to be responsible for his own sin.

Which part of the contradiction did you not understand .. and why would you htink posting the 10 commandments has relevance in this circular fallacy dance ?

 

[3rdAngel]

I did not ignore your post nor scripture posted .. why do you continue this lie - just reposting the same thing rather than respond - circular repetition of premise fallacy on steroids.

There is a contradiction in scripture .. one commanding collective punishment - Children to be killed for the sins of the Father - in another Children are not to be killed for the sins of the father - collective punishment forbidden - each to be responsible for his own sin.

Which part of the contradiction did you not understand .. and why would you htink posting the 10 commandments has relevance in this circular fallacy dance ?

So that is a no then. You cannot respond to post # 1142 linked and the scriptures provided there that are in disagreement with you. Then what is your argument? You have none. If you bothered to even read the post you are responding to the sections regarding the 10 commandments were only provided to show that under the civil laws of Israel in the old covenant, the death penalty was given to anyone of Gods people caught in open public sin. You are better off at least reading what you are quoting from before responding next time.

 

[Sargonski]

So that is a no then. You cannot respond to post # 1142 linked and the scriptures provided there that are in disagreement with you. Then what is your argument? You have none. If you bothered to even read the post you are responding to the sections regarding the 10 commandments were only provided to show that under the civil laws of Israel in the old covenant, the death penalty was given to anyone of Gods people caught in open public sin. You are better off at least reading what you are quoting from before responding next time.

I responded to your post -- why you continue the falsehood that I have not.. I do not know. The scripture you provided does not disagree with me ? In the scipture you posted God YHWH commands that children are to be killed for ths sins of their parents.

is not in disagreement with me or my argument .. so why are you falsely claiming this ? I fully agree that God YHWH is commanding collective punishment .. killing one person for the actions of another .. something which is not happening in any of the 10 commands you bring up .. failing to distinguish between punishing someone for their own sin vs punishing someone for the sins of others.

but this confusion on your part matters not to the fact that God in another place contradicts this command saying that people are not to be punished for the sins of others .. and that children are not to be killed for the sins of their parents and/or others.

A clear contradiction friend (A) , (Not A) and don't think it is me who has a problem reading friend .. nor with simple logic for that matter. It is not as if this is not a well recognized contradiction recognized by Theologians for many many centuries.

It is not me who your scripture disagree's with - It is God who your scripture disagree's with

 

[3rdAngel]

I responded to your post -- why you continue the falsehood that I have not.. I do not know. The scripture you provided does not disagree with me ? In the scipture you posted God YHWH commands that children are to be killed for ths sins of their parents.

is not in disagreement with me or my argument .. so why are you falsely claiming this ? I fully agree that God YHWH is commanding collective punishment .. killing one person for the actions of another .. something which is not happening in any of the 10 commands you bring up .. failing to distinguish between punishing someone for their own sin vs punishing someone for the sins of others.

but this confusion on your part matters not to the fact that God in another place contradicts this command saying that people are not to be punished for the sins of others .. and that children are not to be killed for the sins of their parents and/or others.

A clear contradiction friend (A) , (Not A) and don't think it is me who has a problem reading friend .. nor with simple logic for that matter. It is not as if this is not a well recognized contradiction recognized by Theologians for many many centuries.

It is not me who your scripture disagree's with - It is God who your scripture disagree's with

The post still stands. You did not address anything in the post you responded to. You just ignored it. Yet all this same post you did not read addresses all your false claims and shows from the scriptures why you are in error. If you disagree please address post # 1142 linked and show from the scriptures that disagree with you why you are not in error. Lets be honest. You cannot can you. You just repeat yourself over and over when your posts have already been addressed with detailed scripture responses that disagree with you that you simply ignore because you are unable to respond to them..

 

[Sargonski]

The post still stands. You did not address anything in the post you responded to. You just ignored it. Yet all this same post you did not read addresses all your false claims and shows from the scriptures why you are in error. If you disagree please address post # 1142 linked and show from the scriptures that disagree with you why you are not in error. Lets be honest. You cannot can you. You just repeat yourself over and over when your posts have already been addressed with detailed scripture responses that disagree with you that you simply ignore because you are unable to respond to them..

I addressed your scripture where God commands (A) : children are to be killed for ths sins of their parents. in the post you are responding to.
Your claim that I did not respond is a falsehood of desperation to deflect from the fact your scripture is contradicted by God who commands (Not A) Children are nto to be killed for the sins of their parents

The above contradiction is not my error friend (A, not A) and repeating the same falsehood over and over will not change scripture - not make that which is crooked straight .... just as lies will not stand for the Truth because lies are the way of the deceiver - falsehood is the path of self delusion .. thinking that one can find the true path to God through falsehood.

Tell us then the true path Brother Angel -- Shall we kill innocent babies and fetuses for the sins of others as God YHWH Commands .. or shall we NOT kill innocent babies and fetuses for the sins of others , as God commands ?

Do not run from the Truth -- and tell us what your God commands we do with these innocent Children, Babies and fetuses ?

 

[3rdAngel]

I addressed your scripture where God commands (A) : children are to be killed for ths sins of their parents. in the post you are responding to.
Your claim that I did not respond is a falsehood of desperation to deflect from the fact your scripture is contradicted by God who commands (Not A) Children are nto to be killed for the sins of their parents

The above contradiction is not my error friend (A, not A) and repeating the same falsehood over and over will not change scripture - not make that which is crooked straight .... just as lies will not stand for the Truth because lies are the way of the deceiver - falsehood is the path of self delusion .. thinking that one can find the true path to God through falsehood.

Tell us then the true path Brother Angel -- Shall we kill innocent babies and fetuses for the sins of others as God YHWH Commands .. or shall we NOT kill innocent babies and fetuses for the sins of others , as God commands ?

Do not run from the Truth -- and tell us what your God commands we do with these innocent Children, Babies and fetuses ?

Please forgive me, but I do not believe you. You post here is repetition already addressed here in post # 1142 linked that you are unwilling to respond to. As posted earlier, If you disagree please address the linked post that already answers your post and claims from the scriptures and show from the scriptures that disagree with you why you are not in error.

 

[Sargonski]

Please forgive me, but I do not believe you. You post here is repetition already addressed here in post # 1142 linked that you are unwilling to respond to. As posted earlier, If you disagree please address the linked post that already answers your post and claims from the scriptures and show from the scriptures that disagree with you why you are not in error.

What is it you don't believe friend ? - It was you who posted scripture God commands the slaughter of innocent children for the sins of others.
What does this disbelief in the scripture that you posted have to do with disbelief in me ?

12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock

Why do you not believe that Lord YHWH commands collective punishment - when its right there in the scripture you posted.

 

[3rdAngel]

What is it you don't believe friend ? - It was you who posted scripture God commands the slaughter of innocent children for the sins of others.
What does this disbelief in the scripture that you posted have to do with disbelief in me ? Why do you not believe that Lord YHWH commands collective punishment - when its right there in the scripture you posted.

Already addressed here in post # 1142 linked that you are unwilling to respond to. If you have no response to the scriptures posted here that are in disagreement with your opinions just say so, learn from your mistakes and we can move on. Do you have anything to add to the OP? I am guessing not.

 

[Bthoth]

Hey guys

Just wondering where is the scripture that says Gods 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus?

May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His Word.

Ask jesus:

8 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’

 

[Bthoth]

Nice to meet you too!

Do you think the 10 commandments are the 10 most important moral instructions we should use? (I don't)

I'll bite. Which is better? Confucius' golden rule

Confucianism: “Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you” (Confucius, Analects 15.23 – 5th century BC). Christianity: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.

Some claim jesus said it but that would suggest that jesus was into confucism.

 

[Sargonski]

Already addressed here in post # 1142 linked that you are unwilling to respond to. If you have no response to the scriptures posted here that are in disagreement with your opinions just say so, learn from your mistakes and we can move on.

What deceptive falsehood is this ? There is no scripture posted with which I am in disagreement .. it is you who is the one who is unwilling or unable to respond to the scripture posted .. . where Lord YHWH commands the killing of children - babies - and fetuses for the sins of others.

Should we kill children for the sin of others as per Lord YHWH's command ? -- or should we not kill people for the sins of others as per God's command in scripture ?

 

[icehorse]

I'll bite. Which is better? Confucius' golden rule

Confucianism: “Do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you” (Confucius, Analects 15.23 – 5th century BC). Christianity: “You shall love your neighbour as yourself.

Some claim jesus said it but that would suggest that jesus was into confucism.

Here are a couple:

- live not by lies

- when farming, leave the soil better than you found it

- don't use more fresh water than nature can replenish

 

[3rdAngel]

What deceptive falsehood is this ? There is no scripture posted with which I am in disagreement .. it is you who is the one who is unwilling or unable to respond to the scripture posted .. . where Lord YHWH commands the killing of children - babies - and fetuses for the sins of others.

Should we kill children for the sin of others as per Lord YHWH's command ? -- or should we not kill people for the sins of others as per God's command in scripture ?

You are deflecting now. If you are in disagreement please address post # 1142 linked. If you have no response to the scriptures posted there that are in disagreement with your opinions just say so, learn from your mistakes and we can move on.

 

[Bthoth]

Here are a couple:

- live not by lies

- when farming, leave the soil better than you found it

- don't use more fresh water than nature can replenish

rational approach but I had not observed that in bible/jesus

 

[3rdAngel]

Ask jesus:

8 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’

So there is no scripture that says Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a holy day of rest. That is the point of the OP. Sunday worship is a man-made teachings handed down by the Roman Catholic Church to Christianity from the Roman Empire that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. We have all been taught lies at Sunday school.

Take Care.

 

[Bthoth]

So there is no scripture that says Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a holy day of rest. That is the point of the OP. Sunday worship is a man-made teachings handed down by the Roman Catholic Church to Christianity from the Roman Empire that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. We have all been taught lies at Sunday school.

Take Care.

That's the problem. Church expecting worship, submission and compliance.
The reality, maintain personal responsibility here and now before submission. Worship is a waste of life-time.

I can agree with that bold (above)

My methodology has been 'worship is for morons'

 

[3rdAngel]

That's the problem. Church expecting worship, submission and compliance.
The reality, maintain personal responsibility here and now before submission. Worship is a waste of life-time.

I can agree with that bold (above)

My methodology has been 'worship is for morons'

Thanks for sharing your view as an unbeliever. We are walking different paths though. My methodology is scripture (not Church) which says "The fool says in his heart there is no God" (Proverbs 14:1)

 

[Bthoth]

Thanks for sharing your view as an unbeliever. We are walking different paths though. My methodology is scripture (not Church) which says "The fool says in his heart there is no God" (Proverbs 14:1)

And the corrupt claim to be humble to jesus but then falsely accuse.

learn personal responsibility before trying to represent jesus' works.