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Thanks. God bless you, as well.
Actually that is also wrong. It is the scriptures that define who is Christian, who is a Jew, who is Gods true Israel. (see Romans 9:6-8; Romans 2:28-29; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13; Ephesians 2:11-14; Romans 11:13-23).
No, Jewish law determines who is a jew. Your scriptures about it are of no import. Nice try.
You assert a rather absolute statement that you cannot know God the way you know God based on your belief. Unfortunately there are many variable beliefs and different religions and their divisions that reach a different conclusion then what you believe.
I have studied the scriptures for over 60 years, as wekk as the scriptures of the other major religions. You assertion that I do not believe or know the scriptures is simply based on your view that you disagree. I understand the claims of old and new covenants, but different interpretations can be proposed including the view that both are out of touch with the reality that the scriptures involved ae without provenance and reflect ancient tribal beliefs not relevant today
Romans 2:28 ?
No trying needed. Sorry but according to the scriptures man-made teachings and tradition does not supersede the scriptures (see Matthew 15:3-9).
But if this is what you truly believe, then you have no foundation whatsoever to debate from. That means that your position holds no absolute authority either.
Again, if you believe that there is no authoritative Bible/Scriptures, then nothing that you've studied for 60 years holds any foundational authority at all.
From the human perspective I do not believe there is an absolute authority. The variable and conflicting claims of absolute authority among humans over time is evidence of this view and problem,
By the facts of the reality of many diverse and conflicting belief is indeed one of many, and that is likely an understatement.
Yes, that is what you believe, and it is also on of many variable and conflicting beliefs what is the final authority on all things,
I believe there is religious opposition to the Bible as much as Christian opposition to other scriptures like the Quran, and Jewish opposition to the NT and the Christian interpretation of the Torah. Jews discredit the NT and Quran, and the Christians discredit the Quran. Nothing new in history of these religions.
I do not believe that any scripture can validate itself without outside evidence to confirm the text. This is mot relevant on historical claims.
I did not make any assertions. I only posted what the scriptures teach and what the scriptures say word for word in support of this OP. What you have posted though is your assertion and belief unsupported by any scripture. This is a scripture discussion forum. You have not provided anything here in support of anything you have said so please forgive me if I do not believe you.
Since you didn't quote it, I have no idea what you mean. But to repeat my point, Christianity (including its new testament) has absolutely nothing to say about being a Jew, just as Jewish texts cannot determine who is a Christian.
Sure it does. Please read the OP.. where the scriptures are posted out in full. You post is neither scriptural or factual. (see post # 3 linked)
I actually I did not assert that 'belief unsupported by any scripture.' My contention is that there are too many variable and conflicting interpretations for any one to be 'True' in any absolute sense as opposed to other interpretations and also conflicting scriptures.
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Well what I meant was that what you posted was unsupported by scripture and was in disagreement with the scriptures presented in this OP. I do believe that there are many interpretations of the scriptures and much are not true and is in contradiction to what the bible says. However, this does not mean that there is not a correct interpretation of the scriptures. In fact it is the scriptures themselves through the very words of Jesus in Matthew 24:24 that tell us the closer we come to the last days it will be more and more like this (false teachers). For me the bible is not an academic book and cannot be understood this way. It is the words of God and if God does not guide us and teach us we cannot know its meaning (see Isaiah 55:8-9; John 14:26; John 16:13).
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Sure why not? I only posted you saying there is no scriptures saying anything about being a Jew then provided a page of scripture in the link post above showing what the bible clearly states who a Jew is from the OP that is in disagreement with you. So it is you who has to keep telling yourself that there is no scripture right? You are deflecting.You just keep telling yourself that
Hello. Could you explain this part please? I may be misunderstanding your point here, but the Torah was written long before the Quran.
Hi David nice to meet you. Probably this is not the right place for this discussion as it will be offtopic to this OP...feel free to DM me if you like but very simply, both Jews, Christians and Muslims all claim to believe the Torah. Islam claims its lineage from Abraham's son through Ishmael's side. These same scriptures all these religions claim to believe show that God never made His covenant promise to Abraham and the bond servant Hagar and their son Ishmael even when Abraham protested but God's covenant promise was made through Abraham, his true wife Sarah and God's promised son Isaac. This is the lineage where Israel came from and later Christianity. If you would like a more detailed study through the scriptures, please feel free to DM me.
Agreed the Bible is not an academic book. It is an edited and redacted collection of narratives set in history.
Well then you have no argument for your view as this is a scripture discussion forum.
Scripture is very relevant as it is Gods word that outlines the fall of mankind and Gods plan of salvation to all those who are lost in their sins and unbelief standing guilty before God of sin and death. Your view is not universal. It is simply your opinion based on your finite knowledge of the teachings of the world which you choose to believe over the Word of God that was given to save us from our sins and that gives us the knowledge of good and evil.
Not really a false teacher is simply someone who teaches things that are false and not true. I am sure we both would agree on this. Regardless, just because someone might be teachings something that is not true does not mean that what someone else teaches is not true. Likewise, just because there is many different conflicting versions of Christianity does not mean that there is not a true version of Christianity. As it is written in the scriptures that in the last days "There shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." (Matthew 24:24) and again "Many are called but few are chosen" (Matthew 22:14) and again "Enter in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it." (Matthew 7:13-14) and again "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? Then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." (Matthew 7:21-23). Fact is what these scriptures are saying is that the majority of different versions of Christianity will be lost!
As posted earlier your argument is one of unbelief. So not really relevant to this OP and also has no basis in understanding what is true and what is not true or if there is a God or no God. Either way you cannot prove the scriptures are not Gods Word or that there is no God. For me, what you believe does not effect my faith in God and His Word as I already know God is real and have no doubt and have met him in my life. So there is absolutely nothing you can say to convince me otherwise. I use to be an Atheist by the way.