WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

[3rdAngel]

Exactly, all and any sabbaths. If it meant something else, it would say something else.

Nope sorry. It says the meat and drink offerings (the shadow laws of atonement) linked to the sabbaths (plural) in the annual Feast days

Those things are in the same list of things not to be judged for - ? Don’t you see that? It is a list of things that believers should not concern themselves with . That is not ‘the context’.

See above... if you disagree please respond to my posts and all the scriptures in them that are in disagreement with you.

Post # 1. Chapter context of Colossians 2:11-17 and within scripture context of Colossians 2:16 (post # 1618 linked)
Post # 2. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the old testament scriptures (post # 1620 linked)
Post # 3. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the new testament scriptures (post # 1622 linked)
Post # 4. Why it is impossible Gods creation Sabbath of Gods 10 commandments cannot be a shadow law of anything (post # 1657 linked)

You simply ignored the above right and were unable to respond to all the scriptures here that are in disagreement with your interpretation of a single scripture taken out of context to the rest of the bible. Now if you cannot address a single post here what is your argument? You have none do you. Just be honest.

Take Care.

 

[Tomef]

linked to the sabbaths (plural) in the annual Feast days

‘Linked to’ lol. Now you are sliding into outright deception with such an insinuating phrase. It’s a list of things followers of the new religion shouldn’t concern themselves with. What purpose do your attempts to distort the obvious meaning serve?

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

If you can’t be honest with yourself, don’t foist your dishonesty onto me.

 

[Tomef]

Nope sorry. It says the meat and drink offerings (the shadow laws of atonement) linked to the sabbaths (plural) in the annual Feast days

See above... if you disagree please respond to my posts and all the scriptures in them that are in disagreement with you.

Post # 1. Chapter context of Colossians 2:11-17 and within scripture context of Colossians 2:16 (post # 1618 linked)
Post # 2. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the old testament scriptures (post # 1620 linked)
Post # 3. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the new testament scriptures (post # 1622 linked)
Post # 4. Why it is impossible Gods creation Sabbath of Gods 10 commandments cannot be a shadow law of anything (post # 1657 linked)

You simply ignored the above right and were unable to respond to all the scriptures here that are in disagreement with your interpretation of a single scripture taken out of context to the rest of the bible. Now if you cannot address a single post here what is your argument? You have none do you. Just be honest.

Take Care.

Of course I dismiss your obvious attempts to dissemble. Why wouldn’t I?

 

[Tomef]

a single scripture taken out of context to the rest of the bible

The entire thrust of the NT supports the shift to an entirely new way of practicing the Jewish religion. There is no more reason to cling onto a particular day than to any other religious festival or dietary requirement, made obvious by the fact that all 3 are included in the same clear and plan statement:

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

The insistence on digging up old laws is nothing more than yet another egotist wanting to start his own sect among god knows how many others.

 

[3rdAngel]

‘Linked to’ lol. Now you are sliding into outright deception with such an insinuating phrase. It’s a list of things followers of the new religion shouldn’t concern themselves with. What purpose do your attempts to distort the obvious meaning serve?

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

If you can’t be honest with yourself, don’t foist your dishonesty onto me.

Now you are just deflecting and bearing false witness. Lets talk detail. Now you prove to me how anything I have said to you is out right deception? Lets see who is being deceptive. Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days

You were provided the Greek link to BibleHub proving that sabbaths in Colossians 2:16 is plural to sabbaths context being to the meat and the drink offerings and the sabbaths in the annual Feast days and judging others in this regard. Hey do not pretend I did not post you the full chapter and scripture context of the shadow laws of Colossians 2:16 and what Paul was quoting from in the laws of atonement from the rest of the bible. Remember that was the first thing I did for you. Your response was to ignore everything posted to you and not respond to the many scriptures that were in disagreement with you.

Post # 1. Chapter context of Colossians 2:11-17 and within scripture context of Colossians 2:16 (post # 1618 linked)
Post # 2. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the old testament scriptures (post # 1620 linked)
Post # 3. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the new testament scriptures (post # 1622 linked)
Post # 4. Why it is impossible Gods creation Sabbath of Gods 10 commandments cannot be a shadow law of anything (post # 1657 linked)

You simply ignored the above right and were unable to respond to all the scriptures here that are in disagreement with your interpretation of a single scripture taken out of context to the rest of the bible. Now if you cannot address a single post here what is your argument? You have none do you. Just be honest.

I guess you were not left with any wiggle room were you.

Take Care.

 

[3rdAngel]

Of course I dismiss your obvious attempts to dissemble. Why wouldn’t I?

Because you were unable to respond to the scriptures and context that are all in disagreement with you as proven in the linked posts provided above.

 

[3rdAngel]

The entire thrust of the NT supports the shift to an entirely new way of practicing the Jewish religion. There is no more reason to cling onto a particular day than to any other religious festival or dietary requirement, made obvious by the fact that all 3 are included in the same clear and plan statement:

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

The insistence on digging up old laws is nothing more than yet another egotist wanting to start his own sect among god knows how many others.

Nonsense every one of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as the standard of Christian living and good and evil.

 

[Tomef]

Because you were unable to respond to the scriptures and context that are all in disagreement with you as proven in the linked posts provided above.

You don’t understand what ‘context’ means.

 

[Tomef]

Nonsense every one of Gods 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant as the standard of Christian living and good and evil.

Show me anything in the NT that supports your notion of an interest in keeping one particular day as sacred. The idea is antithetical to New Testament teaching, as is circumcision and all the rest of it. There is simply no basis for this insistence on marking one arbitrary period of time as special.

 

[Tomef]

as proven in the linked posts provided above.

Why do you think you have ‘proven’ something? All that tells me is that you have no understanding of what proof is. All you have done is trot out some trite notions scraped together to support an inherently dodgy and dishonest reading of the text.

 

[Tomef]

Take Care.

This creepy and insincere addition to your message doesn’t make your dubious notions any more convincing.

 

[Tomef]

Now if you cannot address a single post here what is your argument? You have none do you. Just be honest.

Read it:

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Tell me you can’t see what it means.

 

[Tomef]

Your response here...

Here let me help you with this because you seem not to believe the summarized version of the scriptures that you are responding to so lets look at all the context, and subject matter of Colossians 2:11-17 and see what Paul is quoting from in the old testament scriptures ok? This one will be over a few posts though because unlike you pulling scripture out of context to the rest of the bible we will be looking at all the scripture context so there will no longer be any doubt for you what these scriptures are really talking about. So lets make a start....

CHAPTER CONTEXT OF COL 2:14 AND SUBJECT MATTER (COL 2:11-17)

V11. Shadows of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing to CIRCUMCISION of the HEART MADE WITHOUT HANDS by the CIRCUMCISION of Christ.

Foretold in the OLD TESTAMENT….

DEUTERONOMY 10 [16] Circumcise therefore THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.

DEUTERONOMY 30 [6] And the LORD your God will CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.

JEREMIAH 4 [4] CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…

ROMANS 2 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.

1 CORITHIANS 7 [19] CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.

This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…

HEBREWS 8 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

CONCLUSION; The CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION is a Shadow law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT pointing to a NEW HEART to LOVE and OBEY GOD in the NEW COVENANT. The SHADOW laws of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant are the within CHAPTER CONTEXT BEFORE COL 2:14
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COL 2:14 SCRIPTURE SUBJECT MATTER AND CONTENT.

14, Blotting out the HANDWRITING of ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE

14, “BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφωexaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v. means to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase>the “HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφονcheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon) n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”), a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “ORDINANCES” < G1378 δόγμαdogma (d̮og'-ma) n. means; ORDINANCE; CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL laws>that was against us, WHICH WERE AGAINST , and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.

V14 Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.
The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA meaning THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant

This scripture cannot be referring to the abolishing of the 10 commandments of God’s LAW as God’s 10 Commandments are not ORDINANCES and they are not written in a MANUSCRIPT they are written on two tables of stone (Exodus 31:18). Also the chapter CONTEXT is in reference to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION once again from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. These were all SHADOWS ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCES OF v17 pointing to Christ and the plan of SALVATION.

ORDINANCES that were against us is referring to the also referring to the PENALTY of SIN (breaking God’s Commandments and the ORDINANCES of curses written once again in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant.

DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this Book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

DEUTERONOMY 30:19 [19] For GOD has said, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, BLESSINGS AND CURSES: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest OBEY his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them. (See the list of ORDINACES for curses of breaking Gods’ Law in DEUTERONOMY 28:15-68)

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CONCLUSION; COL 2:14 is talking about the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant which are SHADOW laws pointing to Jesus and God’s plan of SALVATION. This is supported also by the within CHAPTER CONTEXT and SUBJECT matter of v16 which are all CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOCAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not referring to ABOLISHING God’s 10 Commandments.

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Continuing next with Colossians 2:15-17.

What makes you think that has any bearing on the meaning of:

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

You’ve simply been deluded by a load of meaningless waffle.

 

[3rdAngel]

What makes you think that has any bearing on the meaning of:
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
You’ve simply been deluded by a load of meaningless waffle.

Then go ahead prove what you say and address all the scriptures in the post that are in disagreement with you. Read the post and respond to it. If you cannot the only person waffling here is you. You are deflecting.

 

[3rdAngel]

Read it:

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.

Tell me you can’t see what it means.

I did. I have read this scripture many times and decided to study this topic for myself unlike you who is cherry picking scripture pulled out of context to the rest of the chapter and the bible and I added the context back in for you that proves your Church's interpretation of this scripture is unbiblical and not supported in the bible. Your response was silence and you chose to ignore all the scriptures and context to the rest of the bible that is in disagreement with your interpretation of a single scripture taken out of context to the rest of the bible in order to promote your teachings of sin and lawlessness.

I guess you were not left with any wiggle room were you.

Post # 1. Chapter context of Colossians 2:11-17 and within scripture context of Colossians 2:16 (post # 1618 linked)
Post # 2. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the old testament scriptures (post # 1620 linked)
Post # 3. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the new testament scriptures (post # 1622 linked)
Post # 4. Why it is impossible Gods creation Sabbath of Gods 10 commandments cannot be a shadow law of anything (post # 1657 linked)

You simply ignored the above right and were unable to respond to all the scriptures here that are in disagreement with your interpretation of a single scripture taken out of context to the rest of the bible. Now if you cannot address a single post here what is your argument? You have none do you. Just be honest.

Take Care

 

[3rdAngel]

This creepy and insincere addition to your message doesn’t make your dubious notions any more convincing.

haha... I am being sarcastic now if you did not notice in this post. I see you still have no response to the posts and scriptures that are in disagreement of your interpretation of Colossians 2:16. Does that not worry you? It should.

 

[3rdAngel]

You don’t understand what ‘context’ means.

I guess you were not left with any wiggle room were you.

Post # 1. Chapter context of Colossians 2:11-17 and within scripture context of Colossians 2:16 (post # 1618 linked)
Post # 2. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the old testament scriptures (post # 1620 linked)
Post # 3. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the new testament scriptures (post # 1622 linked)
Post # 4. Why it is impossible Gods creation Sabbath of Gods 10 commandments cannot be a shadow law of anything (post # 1657 linked)

You simply ignored the above right and were unable to respond to all the scriptures here that are in disagreement with your interpretation of a single scripture taken out of context to the rest of the bible. Now if you cannot address a single post here what is your argument? You have none do you. Just be honest.

Take Care

 

[3rdAngel]

Why do you think you have ‘proven’ something?

You have been provided scripture proving context and subject matter to Colossians 2:11-16 and the rest of the bible that is in disagreement with your interpretation of Colossians 2:16 that Gods Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments is a shadow law done away with in Christ that you have not been able to respond to leaving you with no wiggle room proving your interpretation of scripture is unbiblical.

You were also provided the Greek link to BibleHub proving that sabbaths in Colossians 2:16 is plural to sabbaths context being to the meat and the drink offerings and the sabbaths and new moons in the annual Feast days and judging others in this regard.

Hey do not pretend I did not post you the full chapter and scripture context of the shadow laws of Colossians 2:16 and what Paul was quoting from in the laws of atonement from the rest of the bible. Remember that was the first thing I did for you. Your response was to ignore everything posted to you and not respond to the many scriptures that were in disagreement with you.

Post # 1. Chapter context of Colossians 2:11-17 and within scripture context of Colossians 2:16 (post # 1618 linked)
Post # 2. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the old testament scriptures (post # 1620 linked)
Post # 3. Colossians 2:16 what is Paul quoting from in the new testament scriptures (post # 1622 linked)
Post # 4. Why it is impossible Gods creation Sabbath of Gods 10 commandments cannot be a shadow law of anything (post # 1657 linked)

You simply ignored the above right and were unable to respond to all the scriptures here that are in disagreement with your interpretation of a single scripture taken out of context to the rest of the bible. Now if you cannot address a single post here what is your argument? You have none do you. Just be honest.

Take Care

 

[3rdAngel]

Show me anything in the NT that supports your notion of an interest in keeping one particular day as sacred. The idea is antithetical to New Testament teaching, as is circumcision and all the rest of it. There is simply no basis for this insistence on marking one arbitrary period of time as special.

Why will you now believe..... there is too many scriptures. Everyone of Gods 10 commandments are reiterated in the new covenant as the standard for Christian living including Gods Sabbath commandment.

1. Jesus says God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
2. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day (Mark 2:28)
3. Jesus taught it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath and God desires mercy not sacrifice (Matthew 12:1-12)
4. Jesus says in the last days before the second coming Gods people will still be continuing to keep the Sabbath (Matthew 24:20)
5. We are warned in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 that no one enters into Gods Sabbath rest if we do not believe and obey what Gods Word says (Hebrews 4:1-5; 9)
6 Hebrews 4:9 Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.
7. Jesus and all the apostles and disciples continued keeping the Sabbath even after the death and resurrection of Jesus (see Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Matthew 28:1)

Hey we have not even gone through the scriptures relating to Gods 10 commandments in the new covenant. There is plenty more scriptures. Let me know if you need some more. James says that if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them in James 2:10-11 and John says in 1 John 3:4 that is we break Gods law it is sin in Gods eyes.

Take Care.

 

[McBell]

Why do you think you have ‘proven’ something? All that tells me is that you have no understanding of what proof is. All you have done is trot out some trite notions scraped together to support an inherently dodgy and dishonest reading of the text.

I got the same tail chasing nonsense with them being unable to present a verse that states scriptures only.