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WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT IS ABOLISHED?

3rdAngel

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I got the same tail chasing nonsense with them being unable to present a verse that states scriptures only.
Well you cant see if you choose to close your eyes and ears to seeing and hearing Gods Word. This is the meaning of Isaiah 6:9-10. You were indeed posted scriptures but you choose not believe them. Fear not there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed.
 

Tomef

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Why will you now believe..... there is too many scriptures. Everyone of Gods 10 commandments are reiterated in the new covenant as the standard for Christian living including Gods Sabbath commandment.

1. Jesus says God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
2. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day (Mark 2:28)
3. Jesus taught it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath and God desires mercy not sacrifice (Matthew 12:1-12)
4. Jesus says in the last days before the second coming Gods people will still be continuing to keep the Sabbath (Matthew 24:20)
5. We are warned in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 that no one enters into Gods Sabbath rest if we do not believe and obey what Gods Word says (Hebrews 4:1-5; 9)
6 Hebrews 4:9 Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.
7. Jesus and all the apostles and disciples continued keeping the Sabbath even after the death and resurrection of Jesus (see Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Matthew 28:1)

Hey we have not even gone through the scriptures relating to Gods 10 commandments in the new covenant. There is plenty more scriptures. Let me know if you need some more. James says that if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them in James 2:10-11 and John says in 1 John 3:4 that is we break Gods law it is sin in Gods eyes.

Take Care.
You’re going to tell me you can’t see they none of those verses mentions a particular day? The chapter you quoted earlier , Hebrews 4, makes it clear that a particular day isn’t meant. Somehow you can’t see that either. Power of dogma in action.
 

Tomef

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You have been provided scripture proving context and subject matter to Colossians 2:11-16
Nope, just your insistence that this random notion of yours is true despite the lack of any evidence for that in the scriptures you quote.
 

Tomef

Well-Known Member
haha... I am being sarcastic now if you did not notice in this post. I see you still have no response to the posts and scriptures that are in disagreement of your interpretation of Colossians 2:16. Does that not worry you? It should.
Well - they aren’t. You are applying some basic notions you have to something they don’t fit. What can be said about that? Not much, really.
 

3rdAngel

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3rdAngel said:Why will you now believe..... there is too many scriptures. Everyone of Gods 10 commandments are reiterated in the new covenant as the standard for Christian living including Gods Sabbath commandment.

1. Jesus says God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
2. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day (Mark 2:28)
3. Jesus taught it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath and God desires mercy not sacrifice (Matthew 12:1-12)
4. Jesus says in the last days before the second coming Gods people will still be continuing to keep the Sabbath (Matthew 24:20)
5. We are warned in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 that no one enters into Gods Sabbath rest if we do not believe and obey what Gods Word says (Hebrews 4:1-5; 9)
6 Hebrews 4:9 Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.
7. Jesus and all the apostles and disciples continued keeping the Sabbath even after the death and resurrection of Jesus (see Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Matthew 28:1)

Hey we have not even gone through the scriptures relating to Gods 10 commandments in the new covenant. There is plenty more scriptures. Let me know if you need some more. James says that if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them in James 2:10-11 and John says in 1 John 3:4 that is we break Gods law it is sin in Gods eyes.
Your response here...
You’re going to tell me you can’t see they none of those verses mentions a particular day? The chapter you quoted earlier , Hebrews 4, makes it clear that a particular day isn’t meant. Somehow you can’t see that either. Power of dogma in action.
Goodness you did not read a single scripture reference now did you. All of them mention the Sabbath. If you did read what you were quoting from you would not have embarrassed yourself here with this post. Lets talk Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 happy to also discuss the contexts and scripture detail you are also regarding here. Let me know if you are interested?
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Well - they aren’t. You are applying some basic notions you have to something they don’t fit. What can be said about that? Not much, really.
Sorry did you say something? I am just hearing more empty words because you have not been left any wiggle room. Sorry we will agree to disagree.

Take Care.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Nope, just your insistence that this random notion of yours is true despite the lack of any evidence for that in the scriptures you quote.
Hey no problem. I will leave all those scriptures shared with you between you and God to work through. If I am right however you certainly have a lot to lose but its your salvation not mine.

Take Care.
 

jimb

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Premium Member
It is not legalism to believe and obey what Gods Word says. That is the very definition of unbelief and sin (Romans 14:23; Hebrews 11:6; 1 John 3:4; John 3:36). Believing and obeying what Gods Word says is the very definition of genuine saving faith. No one can claim to have faith in God if they do not do what Gods Word says. According to James this is the very definition of the dead faith of devils and is not saving faith according to the scriptures (see James 2:15-26; Matthew 7:21-23; John 3:36). God does not say anywhere in the scriptures that "any day" is the Sabbath day. Exodus 20:10 from the 10 commandments says "the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lords your God..." According to the scripture the very definition of breaking Gods law is sin in Gods eyes (see 1 John 3:4).

Take Care.
Basically you are correct. However Christians are not required to keep the OT law, including the Sabbath. Hebrews 4:10 clearly states, "For the one who enters God's rest has also rested from his works, just as God did from his own works.
 

jimb

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Premium Member
There is a very important factor that is being ignored: Christians are not under the OT law. This applies to keeping the Sabbath.

Having entered God's rest, there is no need for any further mandated rest.
 

Tomef

Well-Known Member
Hey no problem. I will leave all those scriptures shared with you between you and God to work through. If I am right however you certainly have a lot to lose but its your salvation not mine.

Take Care.
For starters, god is a fictional creation, invented by humans. Secondly if you are saying you believe what day of the calendar you choose over another is a salvation issue, according to the Bible, you have understood nothing about the Christian religion and you need to go back to the most basic ideas. If you want to understand it, that is.
 

Tomef

Well-Known Member
Lets talk Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4
Sure, and we can argue about why you think a circle is a square or some other total waste of time. You have amply demonstrated that you have no interest in honest discussion of biblical texts. You are only interested in pushing the particular dogma of whatever sect it is you are part of.

The concept of sabbath broadens out considerably in the NT, showing Platonic influence in the idea of a ‘form’ of the day of rest, an ultimate rest for ‘the righteous’. As in various other places, Paul in Colossians dismisses the notion of the need to assign one particular day over another as the sabbath day, or even to have one at all. It is a defunct practice.

The early church shifted towards treating Sunday as the ‘special day’ as it marked, for them, Christ’s resurrection. The insistence that for some unspecified reason all churches should go back to a different day, as if there is something eternal and holy about calendars and calling a day one thing rather than another somehow makes it different to another, is pure idiocy, the kind of dumb adherence to meaningless dogma Christ frequently showed his frustration with.
 

3rdAngel

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Wiggle room about what lol? The verse quoted couldn’t be any clearer, despite your efforts to obfuscate the clear meaning of it.
Yes you were left with no wiggle room for your false interpretation of Colossians 2:16 and claims that Gods Sabbath commandment was a shadow law. I think our discussion was a great example of why you should not try and cheery pick scripture out of its contexts and try and build a doctrine around it because by doing this you can come to a wrong interpretation of the scriptures.
 

3rdAngel

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No need to be coy; let’s have your big reveal. Show me the NT verse that teaches Christians are bound by law to observe the sabbath on one day rather than another. Don’t pretend you don’t know what I’m asking, it’s unseemly.
Why will you believe? You asked me earlier and said....
Tomef said: Show me anything in the NT that supports your notion of an interest in keeping one particular day as sacred. The idea is antithetical to New Testament teaching, as is circumcision and all the rest of it. There is simply no basis for this insistence on marking one arbitrary period of time as special.
In response I posted over 29+ scriptures here that all mentioned the Sabbath. You did not read any of them did you..
Why will you now believe..... there is too many scriptures. Everyone of Gods 10 commandments are reiterated in the new covenant as the standard for Christian living including Gods Sabbath commandment.

1. Jesus says God made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
2. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath day (Mark 2:28)
3. Jesus taught it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath and God desires mercy not sacrifice (Matthew 12:1-12)
4. Jesus says in the last days before the second coming Gods people will still be continuing to keep the Sabbath (Matthew 24:20)
5. We are warned in Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 that no one enters into Gods Sabbath rest if we do not believe and obey what Gods Word says (Hebrews 4:1-5; 9)
6 Hebrews 4:9 Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.
7. Jesus and all the apostles and disciples continued keeping the Sabbath even after the death and resurrection of Jesus (see Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Matthew 28:1)

Hey we have not even gone through the scriptures relating to Gods 10 commandments in the new covenant. There is plenty more scriptures. Let me know if you need some more. James says that if we break anyone of Gods 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them in James 2:10-11 and John says in 1 John 3:4 that is we break Gods law it is sin in Gods eyes.
Then after you were posted them you said.....
You’re going to tell me you can’t see they none of those verses mentions a particular day? The chapter you quoted earlier , Hebrews 4, makes it clear that a particular day isn’t meant. Somehow you can’t see that either. Power of dogma in action.
Yet everyone of those scriptures mentioned the Sabbath that you asked for to which I responded..
Goodness you did not read a single scripture reference now did you. All of them mention the Sabbath. If you did read what you were quoting from you would not have embarrassed yourself here with this post. Lets talk Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 4 happy to also discuss the contexts and scripture detail you are also regarding here. Let me know if you are interested?
Tell me why should I waste my time with you any longer. Will you believe if I post you more scripture?
 
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3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Basically you are correct. However Christians are not required to keep the OT law, including the Sabbath. Hebrews 4:10 clearly states, "For the one who enters God's rest has also rested from his works, just as God did from his own works.
According to the scriptures, Christians are required to keep all of Gods 10 commandments including Gods Sabbath commandment which is one of Gods 10 commandments (see James 2:10-11; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 5:2-3; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; John 14:15; John 15:10). It is Gods 10 commandments in the new covenant that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). Hebrews 4:10 does indeed say that those who enter into Gods rest has also rested from his own works and God did from His own works. However Hebrews 3 and Hebrew 4 are a warning that no one enters into Gods rest if they do not believe and obey what Gods Word says. Now if you look at the scripture context you will see that "Gods rest/His rest/My rest of Hebrews 3:7-19 and Hebrews 4:1-5 is defined as the seventh day Sabbath created from the foundation of the world, while Hebrews 4:9 in the Aramaic says "Therefore it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
Sure, and we can argue about why you think a circle is a square or some other total waste of time. You have amply demonstrated that you have no interest in honest discussion of biblical texts. You are only interested in pushing the particular dogma of whatever sect it is you are part of.

The concept of sabbath broadens out considerably in the NT, showing Platonic influence in the idea of a ‘form’ of the day of rest, an ultimate rest for ‘the righteous’. As in various other places, Paul in Colossians dismisses the notion of the need to assign one particular day over another as the sabbath day, or even to have one at all. It is a defunct practice.

The early church shifted towards treating Sunday as the ‘special day’ as it marked, for them, Christ’s resurrection. The insistence that for some unspecified reason all churches should go back to a different day, as if there is something eternal and holy about calendars and calling a day one thing rather than another somehow makes it different to another, is pure idiocy, the kind of dumb adherence to meaningless dogma Christ frequently showed his frustration with.
It's ok I will leave you with your sins and unbelief. You can work that out with God some day. I am really not interested in your opinions unbelief in the scriptures but thank you any way. For me only Gods Words are true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that lead us away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God against the very warnings of Jesus in Matthew 15:3-9. Sunday worship as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection of Jesus as a replacement for Gods Sabbath commandment is a man-made teaching and traditions that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God. Jesus says those who do this are not worshiping God. Begs the question I guess who should we worship God or man? The scriptures teach God (Acts 5:29; Romans 3:4). There is not a single scripture in all the bible that teaches Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now to keep Sunday as a holy day in honor of the resurrection of Jesus. It is you who are caught up with unbelief, dogma and sin. You have proven this in your unbelief in God and His Word that you have already confessed to here. You have been listening to too many lies told you from Sunday school.

Take Care.
 

3rdAngel

Well-Known Member
For starters, god is a fictional creation, invented by humans. Secondly if you are saying you believe what day of the calendar you choose over another is a salvation issue, according to the Bible, you have understood nothing about the Christian religion and you need to go back to the most basic ideas. If you want to understand it, that is.
Oh well that answers a lot..... you are an unbeliever. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for being opened and honest. I was wondering why you were finding it so hard to understand plain scripture. You are still lost in your unbelief and sins. You can never know or find God walking this path in life. I pray you will be able to change your mind before your time on earth here is over. I will leave our discussion and your unbelief between you and God.

Take Care.
 
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