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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    I'm sorry if I hurt you personally. It is not my intention. I'm only saying my opinion against doctrinal teaching in islam. If somebody will say that the virgin Mary is a whore or Jesus Christ is a pimp it doesn't hurt me because I'm not brainwashed in my religion. It does not affect me...
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    You did not get my point! Those verses in the koran that deals with violence... I don't expect them to discard it. It's in the blood already! It is only my opinion for them to discard it. If they don't care so what! Because it was written in the dark ages there are many passages there that are...
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    To repeat... The idolaters are the unbelievers. I think you did not get my point when I said that; 'There is always danger and terror hanging over his head that if he does not seek the protection of Muhammad he will be slaugthered.' Yes... there is terror and danger hanging over an...
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    You did not understand what is written in your koran. You even blow-up the phrase; "...against those who fight against you" Yes, it talked about what I said. Because the word "fight" in the verse cannot be interpreted one way... as fight with arms, fight in war or jihad. Muslims fight their...
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    Do you know what I mean by fundamentalism? If you're a fundamentalist, your freedom to create your own idea, thought and expression is being overpowered by a book which was written in the dark ages. What we read in that book if it is applicable today we should use it, but those that are clearly...
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    The order came from the koran. If there was a revelation that came from the angel Gabriel in a cave through Muhammad, the question IF the order came 'before or after the muslims were kicked out of Mecca', is irrelevant. Another hypothetical question is; 'If the koran did not arrive all at one...
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    You replies are quotations from the koran. I want your own opinion because if you rely only to the quotations in the Koran that means you are a fundamentalist muslim. Words written in the dark ages you interprete it as all correct.
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    Below is my interpretation of the quotes in the Koran. Quote: 2|190|Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not, aggressors. Unquote What does this verse mean? It means that those who fight against muslims are those people...
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    Truth without Scripture?

    Okay it's not revolutionary... but you will settle that he is a Jewish religious reformer. In the bible it's Paul teaching that came first. Jesus teachings based on the gospels is a suspect of some kind of plagiarism. The four gospels' almost recorded their verses in the same order or almost...
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    There are verses in the Koran that says Muhammad waged war to fight the infidel and make allah's religion supreme. Some example of the verses in the Koran below. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there...
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    Okay there was no barbaric army who converted Indonesia therefore sombody was preaching the words of Muhammad in Indonesia. How did they do it if muslims don't have the ability of convincing people by religious persuasion. Do you know who he is? But still the point is Muhammad started islam by...
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    No spin zone here! That Byzantine emperor Alexei I quoted by Pope Benidict; He said that; "There is nothing Muhammad brought to the world but trouble."
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    Validity of Muhammad's message.

    Thedude, Your view that, 'so many people putting so much faith in the opinion of one man' were not converted by the power of faith but by the power of the scimitar. Muhammad started his religion as a preacher but nobody believe him even the Jews of his days. What he did was he used terror to...
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    Truth without Scripture?

    Was Jesus teachings really revolutionary? Which came first; The teachings of Jesus or the teachings of Paul?
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    Propaganda or not?

    Laila, Pure propaganda and brainwashing!
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