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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    Now, in light of the above post that I made, I'd like to simply respond to this point: There IS a definitive way of knowing how they knew what books to quote. They used the exact same method as YOU use today! They know which books to quote because they are relying on Tradition. I would...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    And the debate goes on. :) When reading the church fathers, it is important (as with all works) to read them in their full context. I must refer you to http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/sola/sola11.htm - Did the Church Fathers Believe in Sola Scriptura. This author states things FAR better...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    But I wasn't asking whether you needed an infallible church to decide this for you. It has nothing to do with that (this would be a horrible proof for the need of the church if that was my attempt). The question was more asking if you did indeed need more than Scripture alone to judge inspired...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    Well this is all very interesting. I must say, James definitely has been asking a lot of the questions that I wanted to ask, but did not necessarily have the words for. It seems as if Tradition has become the major element here, which may be a bit off from the central question which I am now...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    Simply because I wanted to limit the scope of this discussion. As it is it has gotten too broad to really accomplish much. When the time comes, I will be happy to talk to others about that. But my hope is to really understand the other viewpoint rather than just getting a quick overview from...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    Tradition is forced on people? Huh... I think it has become fairly evident that there is a lot of debate over the scriptures. You yourself are not sure where you Bible came from and who compiled the books into the Bible. Yet you also pointed out earlier in this thread (I believe it was you)...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    Oh, and on closer look you'll find that the link is not from a Catholic source, but rather a Baptist historian who shows the problems with the idea that what Waldo used predated his time. And Waldo's confessions also are not really his, they are Martin Bucers (almost verbatim) according to the...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    Well maybe in a more appropriate thread we can discuss the role of the Bishops, Apostolic succession, and the fact that Jesus appointed his Apostles to build a church.
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    Actually, there are plenty of scriptural evidence outside of the apocrypha for beliefs such as purgatory. But I digress. :sorry1:
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    And I should accept a protestant source who is trying to find some link to the original apostles? We both have to be willing to explore the possibility that one source is not telling the truth - both sources cannot be correct. Either Catholic historians are being revisionists, or protestant...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    I would say so - you are taking one line out of the entire catechism and saying that this is what the church teaches. I would say that the line you presented is an excellent reference for how we are to live our lives and how we are to conform to the New Law. In relation to Divine Revelation...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    The angst is more frustration that you would use Google's results as a way of telling me what the Church teaches when there is plenty of more reliable information to go off of (such as the Catechism). It is not a reliable source for a discussion like this. I have nothing but agreement with...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    So what is your belief? I feel as if we are back to the first question again, so I might as well ask it again. Why do you think the books that are in your Bible are in your Bible? (since what you responded is not exactly your belief)
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    If you want to know who the head of the Catholic Church is, why don't you see who the Church teaches is the head of the Church (here's a hint: its not the pope). Honestly, there are some assertions that are so outlandish and odd that they do not have a response. Using Google as your form of...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    No, this was more directed at Scuba Pete who claimed that 'sola scriptura' is a term only used by the Catholic Church. Honestly, I shouldn't have said it. :sorry1: Absolutely. This is the exact same understanding that I have as well! Before the councils towards the end of the 4th century...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    That would be tempting and easy to do, but that is not the point of my persistent (and probably annoying) questioning. My questioning is more pointed towards finding out on what authority most sola scripturists, or those who essentially believe in sola scriptura accept their canon (given that...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    Could it be that reality is different from what I was hoping for? Heaven help us if Google defines reality. Seriously, you lose any credibility you had by presenting Google results as an indication as to who is the head of any individual church. Its not a wikipedia (thank goodness), but you...
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    You are correct and I mispoke to agree with this earlier. I had actually been taught that the principle council for dealing with the Biblical canon used in the Roman church was Hippo in 393, although I do know that other councils also dealt with the issue.
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    The Bible Alone is Not Enough

    Fair enough. I understand your position on this. Huh...according to some protestants don't follow Sola Scriptura. You must be an anomoly. ;) I was thinking this morning about our conversation, and it dawned on me that we (specifically you and I) have not yet answered the question as to...
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