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  1. ThereIsNoSpoon

    To any Atheists, I Have a Few Scenarios for you to Look At.

    Well ... if the thing that is to proove supposedly claimed that there is evidence and that evidence is not found ... then "yes", wouldnt you say so? ;)
  2. ThereIsNoSpoon

    do morals need a god?

    Another variation of the cosmological argument. Now applied to morals. Of course one could rebut that for hours but a mere question might perhaps give you a hint. "It proves the existence of the inventor..." according to your logic demands that there was something pre-existing. So what caused...
  3. ThereIsNoSpoon

    do morals need a god?

    Hi Dunemaster, sorry for the late reply. I didn't have time before and i think your post deserves some time (seldom enough to find a good discussion in this board) You stated that i deviated a bit from the topic and i accept that point. Although i think what i said is connected given that you...
  4. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Homosexual Question

    Because there are less potentially bad consequences. Its less risky.
  5. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?

    If it were about that then the thread had the title "islam forbids eating pork" and the first post would be "because the quran says so". But as we can see someone here seems to feel a need to give a justification. Thats why he named the thread "WHY is the eating ...." and brings in his first...
  6. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Spin-off from "I am a Christian/Catholic..." thread

    I think you see it from the wrong perspective. They do not deny the religion. They only deny that certain doctrines or texts are either still valid or have been interpreted correctly. The "art" of telling some followers of a religion they are not true followers is a millenia old art. You might...
  7. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?

    Strangely enough however some muslims seem to feel a desire to open up threads with explanations and justifications. Like this thread here ;)
  8. ThereIsNoSpoon

    do morals need a god?

    I meant to say that he would be reasonable. It is the only assumption that would make sense. Well i think if it is a problem, then it is a major one. As you stated science tells us how things ARE and not as they should be. So IF there is a discrepancy then it does constitute a problem. Generally...
  9. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?

    strange ... i've been saying this all along and nobody listened :sad:
  10. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?

    There is none.
  11. ThereIsNoSpoon

    do morals need a god?

    As a side note (an important one though) we need to define once what morals are for you. Basically all mankind has a similar core set of morals, so i wouldnt confine "morals" as the exact teachings of the bible or the quran or..... Anyway ... indeed i think morals evolved. For a great part we...
  12. ThereIsNoSpoon

    do morals need a god?

    What do you mean? You mean reality is independend of our wishes? Surely it is. But when we try to understand reality then (i would presume) we do need a reasonable assumption on which to base the start of our search, wherever it may later lead. And frankly i think God is reasonable. If we were...
  13. ThereIsNoSpoon

    Homosexual Question

    Well, shouldnt you rather think about the folowing question: "If one desires so much to change to heterosexuality althout it is such a complicated biological process, wouldnt it be better to assist him in changing his desire to change?"
  14. ThereIsNoSpoon

    do morals need a god?

    Of course. What amazes me however in that statement is the following (i have the same issue with for example young earth creationists speaking about "it is written in the bible..."): I would say that God (if we assume that he exists) would reveal himself using a method that does not require...
  15. ThereIsNoSpoon

    An Honest and Intelligent Creationist

    This indeed is a strange person. On the one hand one must acknowledge his views on science. He is not the stupid stubborn creationist that normally runs around here. On the other hand he perhaps is more to be pitied for he actually made nearly all the right steps and stops ignoring them all...
  16. ThereIsNoSpoon

    do morals need a god?

    I wonder how you think this to be true. You might have made the experience that you think you are more moral or a better person after conversion. Thats fine. I however have more than enough examples of the exact opposite. PS: Don't forget the apes ;)
  17. ThereIsNoSpoon

    do morals need a god?

    What do you mean by "arbitrary"? You mean we could just as well have developed the morals of rapists and killers? As i said this is not really plausible for such morals would not likely yield a society as result.
  18. ThereIsNoSpoon

    do morals need a god?

    Of course it does. The chances of survival are of course greater if a species can form groups and unite for common causes. Your ideas about God are a postulation and do not actually explain anything.
  19. ThereIsNoSpoon

    To any Atheists, I Have a Few Scenarios for you to Look At.

    DarkSun, you are (as an example) ignoring all that I have said already. First of all you make the mistake of speaking about "some" God while in truth this already is the first strange assumption. Christians are NOT talking about "any abstract possible being that one could call God". Christians...
  20. ThereIsNoSpoon

    do morals need a god?

    Morals are a normal part of evolution. Just think about it for a second. If we as species had not developed moral behaviour, then we would have already been extinct. Do you really think a species where rape, pillaging and stealing is considered "good" would survive the day? Obviously not. Which...
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