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  1. Lionel Refson

    Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

    wrong!!
  2. Lionel Refson

    Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

    You cannot unite a theft followed by lies followed by lies IMO
  3. Lionel Refson

    Revising The Abrahamic Religions

    Don't they? Not the old elohim is plural of eloheh argument?
  4. Lionel Refson

    Christians And Sodomy

    yep. everything after gen 9:19
  5. Lionel Refson

    Revising The Abrahamic Religions

    They contain elements of both history and fiction. They are not reliable account and if you are arguing that there is no "God Said" in the Bible etc then re-read it . Then of course there is God appeared and God did this and that etc
  6. Lionel Refson

    Christians And Sodomy

    That story was planted there to discredit the whole idea of God's Blessing, to the whole of humanity, including the Father of Canaan and his descendants. How could Noah's curse on Canaan, trump God's Blessing . A nasty little story to be rejected.
  7. Lionel Refson

    Revising The Abrahamic Religions

    Oh we do need history, we just don't need "....and God said kill the non-believer/ stone the sinner etc" You prove to me God said that...You cannot so its not like history really is it?
  8. Lionel Refson

    Revising The Abrahamic Religions

    IMO It is unethical and dangerous to allow words of hate and violence that are purportedly from God to be read by half-formed minds. The most dangerous person in the world is the one that commits atrocities believing God is on their side.
  9. Lionel Refson

    Revising The Abrahamic Religions

    I think you are both missing a point here. People that are indoctrinated with negative biblical verse, believe they are acting for a higher power and that is a major threat to the fabric of world society. they do not feel a need to listen to anything but God and the verses they select are the...
  10. Lionel Refson

    Christians And Sodomy

    God blessed Noah and his sons to be fruitful and multiply and said nothing about anal sex
  11. Lionel Refson

    Revising The Abrahamic Religions

    Rationally, i would agree with you, but I imagine there will be the mother of all wars before the cherry picking began in earnest. Right now, any kid can be radicalized, or counter-radicalized , go into a school and kill your kids or mine, in the name of God. Why would we wait for common sense...
  12. Lionel Refson

    Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

    yes Jim I did. I am well aware of your faith and it is a peaceful loving one IMO a true path to God...BUT the danger we face now, with islamic extremism on one hand and the rise of christian fundamentalism on the other together with general intolerance, increasing antisemitism and Islamophobia...
  13. Lionel Refson

    Revising The Abrahamic Religions

    Given the strength of feeling that would emerge if we tried to ban the Abrahamic religions, I would propose setting up some form of global inter-faith assembly where the leaders of the three Abrahamic religions and their various schisms sit down and have to agree to remove everything in the...
  14. Lionel Refson

    Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

    Given the force of what I have proposed here, I admit complete and utter defeat
  15. Lionel Refson

    Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

    You got it when you said the cause of all the damage caused by religion is forcing ones beliefs... The guilt fear and religious arrogance, felt by many born and raised in these religions IS the result of the religion being forced onto them via the use of methods and doctrine designed to cause...
  16. Lionel Refson

    Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

    So you do not think the majority of any one of the abrahamic faiths have their lives ruined by the actions of their extremist elements
  17. Lionel Refson

    Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

    Oh come on. People have the right to believe what they want and worship as they see fit, right up to the point that their beliefs cause harm to others , at which point the quality of the religion in question should be examined as to its place on society
  18. Lionel Refson

    Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

    If you came round and told me to stop practicing my religion because it hurts one other person, in any way ....I would give up the religion, for the falsity it is....and by hurt I do not mean self-righteous indignation.
  19. Lionel Refson

    Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

    I did suggest IMO that the first step might be to get the leaders of the three Abrahamic leaders (and their various schisms etc) together to come up with a new hate, violence and murder-free, cohesive format for the new Combined Abrahamic Religion. I also suggested that if they failed to do so...
  20. Lionel Refson

    Should Society Ban The Abrahamic Religions And How?

    I agree but as you say it does not happen fast enough and this trend can reverse at any time Cultural traditions are more important than human life. What are you talking about? I don't want to impose anything. I want to use the great minds on here to solve a problem we all face, a problem that...
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