This is just another tactic you use when you do not want to discuss the topic and want to take the discussion off topic to try and make it irrelevant because it challenges your own beliefs.
The words from Genesis KJV are in my OP:
1-."In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."...
No- any "understanding" you apply would be nothing but your opinion or religious bias.
If you want to discuss religious interpretations of the bible there is a religious section in the forum for that.
This is discussion is for looking at the description in Genesis of a God and seeing if their...
The interpretations of religions are not the topic.
The description in Genesis as it describes a God and a scientific perspective of that God is the topic.
If you want a religious discussion on the many interpretations then there is a religious section of the forum for that.
You must first understand a science perspective of God before you can move on to deeper analogies.
Perspective: a particular attitude toward or way of regarding something; a point of view.
Well you are getting ahead of the discussion. As I noted this is Part 1.
You must first understand a science perspective of God before you can move on to deeper analogies.
"But why would you focus on a debatable translation of Gen.1"
because this is a discussion I started and my choice was the KJV version which is commonly known.
If you want to discuss why I post discussions it is not the topic of discussion. I do it because this is a forum for discussion.
Now...
"Your description of law can be replaced with god. "
Yes that was my assertion that Laws fit the definition of God and it is logical that God also fits the definition of the Laws.
"So, why do we need something above those "laws" if they are sufficient to explain the rest?"
I do not assert...
The discussion is not about the bible as a whole.
The bible is based on a belief in a God.
I have proposed the Natural Laws fit that definition.
If you disagree then please explain why the Laws exist and when they came into existence?
"It heavily depends on how you define god."
I agree and the purpose of this discussion was to define God using a science perspective.
""god" is life."
I can agree to the point that life as we understand it would not exist with out the Laws. The Laws are therefor necessary to life.
Thanks for...
"??? I didn't claim anything. I was trying to understand why you're starting all these threads that seems to be anti-science."
You- "See. You want to put it on the edge that there's a problem with science, because you want the answer to be something else, and you say that answer is not supposed...
"The conflicting declarations in the Bible are clearly not science."
The bible was written by non scientists to explain a phenomena before the science we have today existed.
The discussion is looking at the Genesis statements to see if they align with science.
I ask you again- where did the...
"So, it's not your thought experiment that needs challenge, but ours?"
Both- I would not ask for your thoughts if I did not expect what I said to be challenged.I f you can poke holes in it then I will use that in my own thought experiment which is and will need to be evaluated based on new...
"I'm expressing doubt that you've read about or are familiar with the Big Bang Theory."
Then please enlighten me and tell us in that theory where it says Natural laws were created?
"The laws are neither 'things' nor entities."
Restating your opinion that they are not is not evidence or fact...
Why do the laws exist at all then and what would happen if no Natural Laws existed?
pur·pose
1.
the reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists.
A thought experiment requires challenge to your own ideas. How else will you know if they have substance?
You are free to challenge what I have said but of course I will respond to that challenge.
What I described is Natural Science unless you are claiming the Laws of Nature and Science do not...
Entity 1 -a thing with distinct and independent existence.
The Laws seem to be universal applying to all things in the Universe but has no shape or form as we know it.
That would make Laws a thing with distinct and independent existence and an entity.