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  1. JeLy

    Noah's Ark Flood Theories

    Okay, I see your argument. Now, I'm not trying to actually debate whether or not there was a flood because you clearly believe there was and I happen to disagree. Debating point after point won't sway either of us on this topic. So, I'm more or less trying to understand why you believe what you...
  2. JeLy

    Noah's Ark Flood Theories

    Okay, I will concede that those percentages might not be entirely accurate when speaking in terms of a few thousand years ago. Although I will not agree that the possible discrepancy would be enough to cause a flood. However, matter cannot simply appear and disappear, so if water came from...
  3. JeLy

    which is more unnatural?

    No sex ever? Yowzah... :confused:
  4. JeLy

    which is more unnatural?

    And waste the meat?! NEVER!
  5. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    How long before you start to mimic your avatar? Just curious...
  6. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    Perhaps no one really commented on it because it wasn't all that shocking that you'd resort to name-calling via PM.
  7. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    Maybe a little bit... since he/she allowed the topic to get derailed so much after proclaiming they'd have an abortion if god told them to.
  8. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    As many times as it takes for you to use it at the correct time, I suppose. That statement has no bearing on what the question was. Sorry.
  9. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    None of my "claims" require faith, first off. I do not believe in anything because of absence of evidence - which is what faith is. Can you prove that the supernatural does or does not exist? Not by scientific standards in either direction. Therefore, my stance is that I do not believe that...
  10. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    Actually, that's exactly what you said. Where did I say that any of it was "okay?" I was merely pointing out the fact that sex is a part of life for all animals. Don't try and twist that into some self-righteous talk on murder/rape/defecating. (Although, we all poop, too don't we?)
  11. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    I would never say that something does not exist because that is a ridiculous standpoint. I do not believe it exists because there is clear evidence to the contrary. However, because I cannot test something supernatural (yet), then it is unreasonable for me to believe that it does exist. That...
  12. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    No. We can only prove the existence of a natural/physical world. That is entirely different from saying it is the only thing that exists. Sheesh, are you not exhausted with running around in circles yet?
  13. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    Not at all. Agnosticism is a view on things that the person believes they cannot know. That is not my stance.
  14. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    It is not dishonest wordplay... I am merely pointing out the fact that you cannot say one thing is immoral to do and then make exceptions based on your personal experience without including everyone's personal experiences.
  15. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    I don't deny that the supernatural may exist - I simply do not believe that it does because it is not testable according to scientific standards. That's all.
  16. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    The point here is that what you previously deemed immoral (aka an abortion) is now exempt because you said so. Either it is immoral to have an abortion or it isn't. IF you have an abortion, even if your god told you to, it would still be immoral by your initial standards.
  17. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    On the basis that I can observe and test nature to the degree of understanding, or a degree of high certainty to understand.
  18. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    So, then wouldn't you like the ability to have this abortion free of judgement from others and in a safe, medical environment?
  19. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    We're animals, animals have sex, get over it! You still didn't respond to most of my comments, which doesn't surprise me, but the one actual question I would like an answer to is: If your god told you to have an abortion, would you?
  20. JeLy

    Debate on Abortion.

    Especially birth control (aside from abstinence) that is 100% effective! Wow, I'd like some of that...
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