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  1. J

    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    That's exactly what I was saying. If I claim to make a true statement when I say "Jesus is God" then I must also claim that anybody who says anything different is plain WRONG. We're talking about something that has an existence and truth (or lack of existence and truth) completely independent...
  2. J

    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

  3. J

    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    This is why I think relativism in religion is a load of crap. I believe that Jesus is God THE ONE AND ONLY. Jehova's Witnesses think he is a created being and therefore NOT God. Mormons think Jesus is one God among many. Muslims think he is a prophet, a great and holy man but a mere man...
  4. J

    Any anti-abortion liberals?

    I don't know what that means.
  5. J

    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    Debunked. Yes, exactly, debunked regarding historicity. What more need be said? It still inspires people and changes lives but that's not the purpose of this thread. I'm wondering if the atheists participating in this discussion have actually read the Book of Mormon? I'm just wondering...
  6. J

    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    There is none, and that is why we're approaching 500 posts on this particular discussion. You and I say "show archeological/anthropological verification from secular sources" And the response is "The proof is that it makes my life better and a lot of people really believe in it." And...
  7. J

    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    That argument does not make sense. Consider this: First, let's assume I say that many centuries ago, the roman empire built a wall in Britannia to defend its northern frontier lines. If I'm to have any chance of being believed, then I better find some remnants of a wall somewhere, and I have to...
  8. J

    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    This is exactly what I've been saying. I simply cannot believe the BoM is true because it is not verified by archeological or anthropological evidence. Mormons and I have no troubles about the Bible. We both believe it is divinely inspired canonized scripture, 100% true and error free through...
  9. J

    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    Hey cmon now, I've read what the guy has said. I know what Rogue thinks of my religion. I respect him because he has a HUGE understanding of what he does not believe in. I don't know many atheists but the few I do know, have misconceptions about Christianity, like they think getting into...
  10. J

    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    Rogue Cardinal, I like you. I think we could be good friends. You have made great efforts to distinguish Christianity from LDS even though you don't believe either, and I admire that. You know a great deal about Christianity and I'm sure that just like me, you are learning a lot about the LDS...
  11. J

    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    Wow that was a long discussion to read through! I'm glad I did though because to Autodidact and Rogue Cardinal I must say that I really appreciate a lot of the criticisms/questions you have raised. Although of course, everything you said against LDS can be used against me, a Protestant...
  12. J

    Any anti-abortion liberals?

    I think the answer is simple. If people think abortion is murder (which is what I think), it should be treated as murder the same way murder is currently defined. The way we define murder right now, is that not all acts of killing are not equal. If I kill in self defense or am insane then I am...
  13. J

    Book of Mormon

    So what I got from the video you linked is: It must be true because Joseph Smith and his brother died for it. Why would they so strongly defend an untrue book? It's validity is also evidenced by the positive impact it has had on so many lives. These are valid points. I'm still unconvinced of...
  14. J

    Book of Mormon

    I've read the Book of Mormon, and I don't buy it. There are many parts I simply do not think are true, because they don't correlate with secular history. Some examples: 1. There is absolutely no DNA or anthropological evidence that native Americans are descendants from the Jewish race...
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