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  1. stevecanuck

    Politics is the religion of atheists

    Your title is an exercise in equating the literal with the figurative. That's like hearing someone say that they don't believe in miracles, and then asing them, "Have you never seen a sunset?"
  2. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    Are you saying that Mecca wasn't a mostly Pagan city in Mohamed's time?
  3. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    Not only that, but much of the Quran is written minus the historical context in which each verse was 'revealed'. Why? Because it wasn't needed. They were all in the middle of whatever was going on, so they didn't need to be told. For example, much of surah 9 is believed to have been written in...
  4. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    First, let me thank you for the time you took to craft this reponse. I am preparing for a major trip, so I'm going to skip down to this. I'll try to get to the rest after we get settled in. Yes, I think every religious text was written by humans because I don't believe in the existence of...
  5. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    I'm sure Mohamed wasn't above using sectarian rhetoric, but those words are not ascribed to Mohamed - they're supposed to be from Allah verbatim. As such, they are held to a much higher standard, and "sectarian rhetoric" doesn't meet that standard (IMO). As a somewhat connected aside, 'Allah'...
  6. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    Can you give examples? I can't think of any in my reading of the Quran. For example, it complains endlessly about Pagans, but gives no details rather than that they're polytheists.
  7. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    Regardless of what else he knew about Judaism, he certainly got this wrong. This discussion revolves around the much greater point that the Quran was authored by a human rather than a god. Let’s not lose sight of that.
  8. stevecanuck

    Does islam teach not to show image of living things?

    I don't think they can justify that based on scripture.
  9. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    I was presented literally, so yes. Not to the extent that Christians use "the son of God" to describe Jesus. Not even close. Yet the Qur'an tells it that way, and it's wrong. The Qur'an equates Ezra to Jesus in terms of being beleived to be the "son of God". That comparison just doesn't exist.
  10. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    Of course there's a reason. For a person to be the literal son of God (the Qur'an's description), it would have to be either a virgin birth or some sort of divine sexual act. Which of those makes more sense? Okay. I'm good with believing Mohamed just made **** up. After all, he made up the...
  11. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    Another way to think of the message of 9:30 (because of the way it is worded), that Ezra is to Judaism as Jesus is to Christianity. That has simply never been to case.
  12. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    Okay, it seems it was used more as a figure of speech as opposed to literally. Christian are very literal about their belief that Jesus is the son of God. The rabbi also explained that even judges were referred to as God. Clearly that is not part of Judaism. If you look at the wording of 9:30...
  13. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    Proof?
  14. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    To the best of my knowledge, there's no such thing as Jewish scripture that refers to "someone as son of god". If there is, please provide it. So, minus further input from you, you are repeatedly complaining that I refuse to define something that nobody in Judaism is saying.
  15. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    In verse 9:30 it's used in exactly the same way that "son of God" is used to describe Jesus. I don't really know what you want if that doesn't tell you.
  16. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    I need to know what you mean by "the author of the Qur'an". Are you referring to someone other than Mohamed? I don't remember your posting history well enough to recall.
  17. stevecanuck

    What if we accepted each others Religion?

    Anyone who has lived in a Muslim country knows that you can save yourself the trouble of sending out about 1.5 billion invitations.
  18. stevecanuck

    What if we accepted each others Religion?

    Right. I think of that as Venn Diagram tolerance.
  19. stevecanuck

    Quran and the People of the Book

    Correct. The message is crystal clear - adopt Islam or face the consequences - both on earth and in the afterlife. This is stated dozens and dozens of times.
  20. stevecanuck

    Why does the Qur'an say that Jews claim Ezra is the son of God?

    Never in my 75 years have I heard so much as one instance in which Jews are said to believe as claimed in that verse. It’s impossible to prove a negative.
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