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  1. osgart

    Why should I debate about God with you ?

    The thing about truth is that among humans it can be very unpopular and dismissed very easily using some academic law or rule. Winning a debate does not mean that you have indisputable truth. Losing a debate does not make you wrong. Refutation is perception and convincement without...
  2. osgart

    Fact vs Truth?

    A fact is based on objective evidence and is something that is verifiable. A truth is something that is in accordance with virtues. Truth happens in right relationship as deserved.
  3. osgart

    Shifting more towards atheism

    The only acceptable morality is in choosing to be good because of the genuine desire to be so and not by all the coerced methods many religions offer. Those methods are false, and contrived. Atheism doesn't need nor have any use for being good by way of threats of hell, nor any other external...
  4. osgart

    The Question Islam and Christianity Can't Answer

    It's preferential, and partial love based on conditions. There's nothing just, nor all loving, nor all merciful about those gods. Those gods have no clue what is just, and no clue about unconditional love. Justice requires deserved punishment. Unconditional love demands that the just...
  5. osgart

    Rebirth vs Heaven and Hell

    Any willfully evil person should necessarily lose that which they willfully abuse. Absence of life benefits abused is a worthy punishment. The ultimate goal of justice that is just is to conquer the evil heart and let all goodness prevail. To leave the evil in a condition of moral depravity...
  6. osgart

    Understanding the holy scriptures is impossible unless God gives you the interpretation

    Studying the Bible for the fate or destiny of one's soul is a pretty cruel and crude method for the salvation of humanity. Why would an all mighty God leave the fate of humanity in the hands of scholars, and ancient eyewitnesses. One must be a detective, and investigator to get to heaven...
  7. osgart

    Do rights come from God?

    To determine rights it's necessary to examine morality, and what constitutes quality of life for all living beings. To remain innocent as compared with virtues vs. vices it's possible to discover innate, self evident rights. Innate rights can be disasterously ignored and abused, and quality of...
  8. osgart

    The Question Islam and Christianity Can't Answer

    It's hypothetical. I know it's fictional. I'm not a Trumper.
  9. osgart

    The Question Islam and Christianity Can't Answer

    No, not at all actually.
  10. osgart

    The Question Islam and Christianity Can't Answer

    If someone has the eternal will to throw a purely innocent God into an eternal torture of hell then I would say God has a right to send that someone to eternal hell. Yet if God is omniscient why not conquer that someone's eternal will instead and put their heart into a condition of eternal...
  11. osgart

    Lets solve Free will once and for all!!

    I would have to ask: Is any person free to will whatsoever they wish to will unimpeded? Nevermind the actions. What exactly forces me to will what I do will? If you can't answer these two questions then you have no business saying that we do or do not have freedom to will what we will. Doing...
  12. osgart

    What is your Belief? A statistic for RF

    I've picked non revealed religion since I'm fully persuaded that morality has objective truth without the need for any God to exist. I also believe in an eternal, endless and purely intelligent foundational existence of the which all life is apart of. I believe all life on Earth has primitive...
  13. osgart

    I have a feeling that the afterlife doesn't exist

    I'm atheist, however there is an eternal and infinite foundation to existence and the souls of life are but drops in an infinite sea of pure intelligence. Every living thing is a soul in this sea. Space, time, energy, and matter are painfully real yet irrelevant and illusory. Eternal beings...
  14. osgart

    Jesus Failed Right?

    What do you think is the proper understanding of atonement in your soteriology? I was raised Catholic til some in my family converted to Baptist. I fail to see any simplicity in Christ. Nor do I have any desire to be Catholic again. As far as I'm concerned it's all mental gymnastics. But...
  15. osgart

    Jesus Failed Right?

    Why not read Marcus Aurelius, or Cicero instead? At least they don't feign the wisdom of a perfect and holy God like the Bible does. And there is useful wisdom in what they say. Every book on wisdom should be read with skepticism, objectivity, and in full recognition of the humanness of the...
  16. osgart

    Jesus Failed Right?

    What teachings saved humanity? What about God did Jesus reveal? I never met anyone who actually loved their enemies? I can find better morality and virtue on my own with the help of a dictionary.
  17. osgart

    Jesus Failed Right?

    Paul meant it literally, and perhaps symbolically. But definitely literally. Any way you slice it Jesus was executed on a Roman cross. That fails as being all powerful, and it fails as a sacrifice of any kind.
  18. osgart

    Jesus Failed Right?

    A metaphor for what? How?
  19. osgart

    Jesus Failed Right?

    The story of Jesus as a substitute for the punishment of sin is nonsensical, and thus a masochistic failure. As far as justice goes it makes absolutely no sense. An all powerful God has to, by limitation of power and necessity of justice, subject His own supposedly innocent Son to extreme...
  20. osgart

    Do you Think we have Free Will

    You would have to understand the nature of desire to answer this question. That is not a physically empirical thing to do. Intrinsic desire cannot be observed. Only extrinsic behaviour can be observed. Predictability of outcomes will not inform anyone as to the nature and extent of free will...
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