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  1. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Says an amateur, who doesn't read the Greek, doesn't have evidence, isn't an expert and is pushing an agenda that is also without evidence, is amateur and based on English translations. Not interested. You are an apologist for your own ideas, based on nothing but amateur speculation. Again...
  2. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I'm interested what experts, trained to read the original language and highly trained in historical research, and much much more, have to say and demonstrate. Please write a paper, with sources, submit it for peer-review and if it passes I will read it. As of now you have nonsense theories...
  3. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    It's evidence Mark used Paul, in part. There are many other sources as well to create thois story. Galatians 2:7-9 7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; 8 (For he that wrought...
  4. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    No it's in several books and journals by PhDs who study the original Greek. Write a paper, submit it for review and get it prinited. Until then I care about what is true not delusions. Michael Bird & Joel Willitts, Paul and the Gospels: Christologies, Conflicts and Convergences (T&T Clark...
  5. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    It’s quite obvious that Mark has taken Paul’s teaching and simply rewritten it into a pithier teaching from Jesus. Before Mark did that, there was no teaching from Jesus on the subject. You are adding speculation. When yoiu see everything used from the Epistles, it's very obvious. But there are...
  6. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Strawman. You actually said:"Same with most of ancient history , we can only consider it probable." So I pointed out it isn't the same with everyone. Of course it's probable? But there are levels. Now you have to look at the evidence that breaks down the only assumptions about historicity...
  7. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Because you don't know the Bible that well. Adam: “For dust you are, and to dust you shall return” Job 14 “At least there is hope for a tree: If it is cut down, it will sprout again, and its new shoots will not fail. 8 Its roots may grow old in the ground and its stump die in...
  8. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I don't care, it's an example that's showing Mark used Paul. Mark also reifies Paul’s teachings about Christian baptism being an adoption by God as his son (compare Mark 1:11 with Romans 8:14-17 and Galatians 3:26-27). Mark repeatedly has Jesus refer to his future Christian followers as...
  9. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I don't care, it's an example that's showing Mark used Paul. Mark also reifies Paul’s teachings about Christian baptism being an adoption by God as his son (compare Mark 1:11 with Romans 8:14-17 and Galatians 3:26-27). Mark repeatedly has Jesus refer to his future Christian followers as...
  10. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Paradigmatic Example: Jesus on Taxation In Romans 13, Paul writes up his own opinions about taxation, arguing Christians should dutifully pay their taxes. We know these remarks are just his own opinions; not only because he represents them in no other way and has to contrive arguments for...
  11. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Again, for like the 6th time, my opinion isn't a thing. I don't have an "opinion" on how to do heart surgery. I would read the consensus ideas, backed by evidence and that is the best we can do. Historians are doing all the work possible to find out what a reasonable explanation of all aspects...
  12. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    But the probability is based on very little evidence. For someone like Caesar we have: his own accounts of the Gallic Wars the speeches of Cicero Sallust’s account of Catiline’s War Suetonius’s section on Caesar in Twelve Caesars Plutarch’s section on Caesar in Plutarchs’s Lives.”...
  13. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    We cannot demonstrate he was a person, and this was a Mystery cult, not an Emperor. But the Mysteries didn't use people. Which Mystery religion has defied people? 1) The idea that religious syncretism (there are thousands of examples among religions) is "dubious" is absurd. Present a...
  14. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Another myth taken during the 2nd Temple Period from the Persians. The expert Mary Boyce who studied in Iran for years, Revelations but Zoroaster taught that the blessed must wait for this culmination till Frashegird and the 'future body' (Pahlavi 'tan i pasen'), when the earth will give up...
  15. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    You have to demonstrate a "word" existing before creation. You are just talking the natural world, which we do not know was created, and adding nonsense words. I could do this for anything. Nothing exists, except a "priestly authority" exists. Talk about lack of logic. You have to demonstrate...
  16. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Yes Emperors and some other people were raised to the status of a god and were real people. The Mystery religions were religions, like Judaism that was occupied and influenced by Greek colonists and all created a savior son/daughter of the supreme God. We know of none of these based on real...
  17. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Nothing about any afterlife, Jewish resurrection or Greek souls going to heaven. Proverbs 14:32 is a proverb that contrasts the fate of the wicked and the righteous in the face of adversity: The wicked When calamity strikes, the wicked are brought down and have no comfort or help. They are...
  18. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    You do not seem to understand what Mark did. This example might help: Paradigmatic Example: The Last Supper Another example is “the last supper.” This began as a vision Paul had of Jesus relating to him what he spoke mystically to all future generations of Christians, as we see in 1...
  19. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    What you are trying to put in a negative light already has a name, it's called "learning". I follow physics from the early days, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, Einstein and his SR/GR, QM from the 20's, later additions from Dirac, Pauli, Murray-Gell-Man, Paul Davies is my favorite modern author...
  20. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I'm not interested in what you find laughable, but we can discuss that briefly because it's a huge fail for you. You said "All of these? Really? Painting with an absurdly broad brush is a technique best reserved for whitewashes and smears." This is true hubris, you know so much about the...
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