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  1. joelr

    There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

    Strawman, I didn't say I know "exactly what is happening". But evolution is a slow gradual change, we can see this from countless fossils. The evidence for DNA consists of thousands upon thousands of biologists, anthropologists, genealogists, paleontologists, geologists, zoologists, botanists...
  2. joelr

    There is no evidence for God, so why do you believe?

    Strawman, I didn't say I know "exactly what is happening". But evolution is a slow gradual change, we can see this from countless fossils. The evidence for DNA consists of thousands upon thousands of biologists, anthropologists, genealogists, paleontologists, geologists, zoologists, botanists...
  3. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    The only OT reference in this list is Psalms. First it's not saying anything about death or dead people. It's saying righteous people will inherit the land and those people will inherit it forever, for their sons and daughters. But even if it means some sort of afterlife, Living on the earth...
  4. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I am not an expert, like with quantum mechanics I do not have an opinion. I leave it to the people who study all of the variables, original languages, comparative mythology, literary analysis, the myths from the cultures that occupied Israel for any centuries, historians of the periods and so...
  5. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I am not an expert, like with quantum mechanics I do not have an opinion. I leave it to the people who study all of the variables, original languages, comparative mythology, literary analysis, the myths from the cultures that occupied Israel for any centuries, historians of the periods and so...
  6. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Yes, why would there not be a lot of theologians in Christianity? Thousands I assume. Why would you even ask such a question when you know there are hundreds of Islamic theologians who will memorize every verse in the Quran and affirm all the apologetics and folk tales as definitely true. Every...
  7. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    The consensus in critical-historical scholarship is the stories are Greek/Persian myth, plus Judaism put onto a Jewish teacher, a human man named Joshua. Gospels are anon, names added 2nd century, all copied Mark, miracles and eye-witnesses were always added to Greco-Roman stories. From Bart...
  8. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Dr Steve Mason is the leading expert on Josephus. Dr. Steve Mason: Josephus on Jesus & the Testimonium Flavianum 1:49:00 He may have been writing something skeptical or mocking about Jesus 1:57:00 “It’s clear he doesn’t believe Jesus is the Messiah” 2:04:37 “The Christ” means “smeared one”...
  9. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Oh. My. God. I said, there is no hell in the OT. You go and say "that ruins your credibility" and go on to list 3 books from the NEW TESTAMENT. AFTER THE PERSIAN HELL WAS ALREADY BORROWED AND USED IN TEXT????? Wow. I wish you had credibility to ruin, but this is actually standard response...
  10. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    We cannot know 100%. But it's very high probability so its' considered an absolute. Interestingly, we cannot know 100% if the Mormon updates are not true or Islam is true and Christians are going to meet a "horrible doom". Yet it's still enough in that case. So special pleading, confirmation...
  11. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    1) You haven't demonstrated one single instance where this is true. 2) We don't go on "opinions" it's called evidence. You base your knowledge on facts, evidence, ancient text, ancient historians, archaeological sites, scripture in it's original language. 3) In an irony of all ironies you are...
  12. joelr

    Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

    It's from Pew Research, universities, https://scholarship.law.umn.edu/faculty_articles/511/ The sex abuse cases were from a documentary on the issue. Did you just disrespect the thousands of children who suffered sexual abuse?
  13. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I don't know what you are talking about. And the Quran testifies Muhammad had new revelations about the religion. The Mormon Bible clearly testifies to the updates Joseph Smith got from the angel Moroni. The Hindu text clearly testifies Krishna visited Prince Arjuna and that Brahman is the...
  14. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Uh, yes that is the link. When Christians do actual scholarship they accept the evidence most fundamentalists say isn't true. Mark is the source of the Synoptic Gospels. But in historical studies, so is John. I gave a small bit of Carrier's chapter on John. The Synoptic Problem | Bible.org...
  15. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    There is no such thing. There is just the field of history, they have the same standards of evidence for everything and everyone. If a Christian can get something passed because it met standards of evidence it would. A "Christian panel" is not qualified to review a PhD historical paper because...
  16. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    I'm not interested in speculation, especially about fiction and from Mr "I don't believe scholars" you want to be that guy, go ahead, but if you care less about knowledge, I'm not interested in your speculation. There is no hell in the OT and a firery hell is a Persian myth they borrowed. The...
  17. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Mark was clearly riffing from the OT here, Only a few verses later, we read about the rest of the crucifixion narrative and find a link (a literary source) with the Book of Psalms in the Old Testament (OT): Mark 15.24: “They part his garments among them, casting lots upon them.” Psalm...
  18. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    This is giving evidence John is rewriting Matthew who rewrote Luke. After we concede to the fact that John is using the other Gospels as sources, we can take notice of the fact that John intended on rebutting a particular theme that those previous Gospels all had in common, that “no sign shall...
  19. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Don't need your permission. I don't expect anyone to do anything. If someone cares about what is true then they can investigate the scholarship I presented, see it's backed by massive evidence, based on other scholarship with evidence and as the scientific method is, is our best attempt at what...
  20. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    You cannot be serious? That doesn't mean they are correct? It means they don't care about what is true. You ALSO HAVE Christians who switch to Islam. Huge numbers. In fact, look at this: "According to Pew Research, about half of all converts to Islam in the United States identify as...
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