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  1. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    That's it. This is the thread. Boiled down into the purest form.
  2. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    Not necessarily. That isn't how vaccines work. What other solutions? Get infected? Let 2.5% of the population die?
  3. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    Can I take this as "fewest"? The closest to zero we can get is through vaccination. The problem with "individual persons" is that it doesn't just affect them. There are any number of things that are regulated or outright outlawed because someone's "freedom" is putting others at risk. People...
  4. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    The fact that there are not "many" is the reason I advocate for it. It isn't a damned if you do damned if you don't situation. You have an objectively better situation for vaccinated vs unvaccinated. The only deaths were of people in their 70's with health complications. And thats still 3 vs...
  5. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    It showed a drastic increase in every measure. Its not a 1.5 increase. Its much much greater than that. Your point now seems to be "it wasn't enough of an increase". Your point before was "there was no meaningful change" is objectively wrong. If we can move past the former point we can talk...
  6. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    It doesn't. It objectively shows that the numbers are incomparable. This is not a run of the mill flu and it is not only more infectious but far far far deadlier. What group in the above were comparable in numbers of deaths? Did you misread the 18-29 group for 2021 and the 18-50 in the earlier...
  7. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    Yeah. Your data supports my position. Which age group isn't off by several multiples?
  8. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    This is objectively not true. On the higher end the flu kills at most 60k people a year. More than double that have died in JUST the under 50. Go look up the numbers and bring them back here and tell me that again. Edit. Couldn't wait for your numbers here they are. Flu deaths in U.S. by age |...
  9. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    The data doesn't like though. Places where you have large percentages of vaccination has fewer cases and less unvaccinated getting sick. The numbers show that it is working. The numbers show that it isn't perfect. But "not perfect" and "ineffective" are very very different things...
  10. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    If you live alone in the woods with air-dropped supplies while wearing a mask 24/7 I'll give you a pass on getting the vaccine.
  11. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    Sounds like a sound argument. She speaks very eloquently. However the official data and majority of physicians disagree with here. I will quote directly from the CDC website. Unvaccinated people remain the greatest concern: The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who...
  12. Friend of Mara

    Your username

    Mine is a secret only cool people will get.
  13. Friend of Mara

    How close are you

    What about the "it affects me because lockdowns, mask wearing, social distancing and all other forms of defense against the pandemic are still up"?
  14. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    I just ran through it in the previous post but the chances of getting a major side effect is next to nothing. The chances of having negative effects due to the illness is fairly high. Under no math or calcuation is a healthy person getting a better deal by not being vaccinated. In total the us...
  15. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    What is strong? What is good? I don't ask that to be pedantic but really I just want to know what kind of goals you seem to think are best for a nation-state. Is our failing healthcare system or education system part of what we should fix to make America great? Shouldn't the maximum number of...
  16. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    Because the side effects of covid are objectively worse. They do. But the actually medically exempt are such a small percentage of the population it won't meaningfully effect the transition rate assuming everyone else was vaccinated. The 40-50% of the population that currently CHOOSES to remain...
  17. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    Good news! This doesn't fall under conspiracy but rather lack of knowledge! Or specifically in your case you seem to have some information but only the bad information without the whole picture. It is ILLEGAL for a medical professional or institution to not report all adverse affects observed...
  18. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    It depends on the holistic medicine. Some have effects that are positive. Some have effects that are neutral some are just totally bunk. Its a wide wide brush to be painted with. Its why I specified unsubstantiated holistic medicines. Whenever you are ready. With the conversations I've had...
  19. Friend of Mara

    How do you define evolution?

    God does not have evidence in the theory but believers are allowed to speculate on how much a deity may be involved. I don't have a problem for example with a believer in god to feel that the nature of the universe is crafted and made my a creator and was made in a way that would create life as...
  20. Friend of Mara

    Now that the FDA has approved the vaccine has it changed your mind?

    Perhaps I misunderstood your question. The claim seemed to be that unvaccinated people were informed and didn't believe in obviously false things. That the majority were not being led astray buy falsehoods. This is laughable.
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