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  1. J

    Why do people hate Muslims?

    What I'm trying to make you realize is that there are several different beliefs within the Islamic community. So the problem is not the Quran and MP, but how they are understood
  2. J

    Why do people hate Muslims?

    Why don't you explain what Quran 28:48-50 is reporting? Then go ahead and show me where it says the opposite.
  3. J

    Why do people hate Muslims?

    How do you know these biographers weren't lying about MP? For example do you know that these biographies were written many years after MP and the first 4 caliphs were dead? Also do you know that the 5th caliph and his father according to Islamic history were sworn enemies of MP for most of...
  4. J

    Why do people hate Muslims?

    Actually, if the text is inconsistent then people have a choice. That is a good thing not a bad thing
  5. J

    Why do people hate Muslims?

    That may be true, but for now please explain what the verse is saying. Then I will let you show me where it says the opposite
  6. J

    Why do people hate Muslims?

    Ok, then please explain Quran 28:48-49 after studying them parsimoniously
  7. J

    Why do people hate Muslims?

    You dismiss it as garbage by making childish comparisons. This proves my point, you can't be expected to do more. It's not your fault
  8. J

    Why do people hate Muslims?

    It's not about Muhammad the Prophet (MP) or the Koran, but how these two are understood that makes the difference.
  9. J

    Why do people hate Muslims?

    This is true. The average westerner can't be expected to understand that this dying interpretation of Islam was revived by the Saudis in the 80s at our request to defeat the soviets in Afghanistan. The average westerner also can't be expected to remember that Reagan was shaking hands with the...
  10. J

    Why do people hate Muslims?

    Unfortunately, it's not as easy as just reading the Quran. Many non Muslims don't realize that educated moderate Sunni Muslims privately lean upon alternative narratives to soften the official Orthodox view. This is because after the Rashidun, official power fell into less than scrupulous...
  11. J

    Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

    Seth, I can tell you don't have Orthodox views. So how do you prefer to describe yourself, as a Sufi or Quranist or Mutazalite or deist or Ahmadi or what?
  12. J

    Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

    Let's also not forget the great contributions made by the Chinese and African / Egyptian empires and civilizations Also as far as Mecca and Medina etc and it's people are concerned, they were responsible for creating Orthodox Islam, but not much else. These cities were not the center of any...
  13. J

    Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

    I believe that is how Islam was originally practiced in the Axumite Empire in the days when MP was alive. Even shariaists agree that Islam in the Meccan period (early period) was peaceful. The shariaists however claim that in the later (Medina period) it changed. So I don't think the original...
  14. J

    Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

    This is true. Although, I think the more interesting message in Seth's post is that Muslims have different views. Muslims are not a homogeneous mass. For example I try to look at an issue in light of Israelite history, the Bible and make sure I can see a continuation. I don't think the Bible is...
  15. J

    Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

    Did John Quincy Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Isaac Newton etc worship the same God as Pope Gregory IX, emperor Heraclius and Justinian? I think not. So not all Christians worship the same God. Similarly did Ummayd Caliph Yazid worship the same God as the Christian Muslim Najashi- ruler of Axum? I...
  16. J

    Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

    It is becoming painfully obvious you did not understand my post.
  17. J

    Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

    If you could articulate your views more clearly, then perhaps others will understand what you mean and it may not look like others are twisting what you are saying? I haven't seen anyone else saying I'm twisting anything you said. I'm sure they would point it out if I were. Now please provide a...
  18. J

    Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

    That is so funny, please share your YDNA results with us, so we can compare them with those of Jewish Cohanim and the general Jewish population
  19. J

    Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

    I have asked you to show us a verse from the Quran that says MP wasn't from that line. Or better yet show me a verse from the Quran that says MP is the Messiah. You seem to be chasing your own tail, arguing about things that nobody is disagreeing with you on.
  20. J

    Do the Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the same God....?

    The brunt of your argument appears to be focused on failure of MP to have a suitable Israelite lineage. In reality, there is nothing in the Quran prohibiting MP from being a descendant of some Israelite. Quran's Allah says nothing on this topic beyond stating that MP is the descendant of...
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