Why do people hate Muslims?

[icehorse]

'Fair and useful generalization' is highly debatable. And what would be absurd is trying to tell someone they believe something when that person has, many times, told you they don't. And then insisting that your 'fair and useful generalization' should mean anything to them.

Find me a few Muslims who will disagree with these two statements:

- The Quran is the perfect, final, timeless and unalterable word of god
- Muhammad was god's messenger and he is the perfect role model for humans.

 

[psychoslice]

I see that now. It's not a Islam specific threat. It is religious fundamentalism which is a threat to the progress of humanity.
However religious freedom is a basic tenant of US law. Is it our weakness? I can see any good coming from restricting religious freedom either.

Yes but religious freedom doesn't mean they can practice that which goes against the law of that country, imagine if Christians went to their country and didn't obey their way of living, it would be heads off all round.

 

[Pastek]

"Why do people hate Muslims?"

I'll tell you why *I* hate Muslims. I can't speak for other people.
Muslims are out-breeding everybody else and spreading across the globe as if it was the mission to overtake the planet
(...)but to condense it- the idea here is defeat of Christianity, every other religion, and every non-Islamic nation without the use of war, but rather by infiltrating through immigration and breeding as many Muslim babies as possible. It is very probable that in my lifetime or my children's lifetime, the dominant religion of the planet will be Islam.

I've been across some statistic who showed that muslims living in foreign (non muslim) countries or modern muslim countries are having less babies. Women study more so have children later so less children.
Also there's a lot of divorces and many women can't find a husband.

In Uk :
Why British Muslim women struggle to find a marriage partner | Syma Mohammed

In US :
The Muslim Marriage Crisis | MuslimMatters.org

In UAE :
Unmarried Arab women suffer from damaging stereotypes | The National

First, in Islam, everybody goes to hell. Believers go to hell too, where they are punished for their earthly sins before being able to go to paradise.

It's more complex than that.

When Muslim nations try to reform their child marriage laws and make it so that girls have to be a bit older to be married off, they are met with strong resistance by Muslims that claim that because the prophet did it, it is not only okay, but GOOD to marry little girls.

In many muslim countries the mariage age is fixed around 17 or more for a girl. Stop believing it's the norm to marry little girls ...
So saying that muslims (it would be better to say "some" ) countries are trying to do so and so please try to learn more about this.
For exemple in Morroco the legal age is 18. But it's possible to have an autorization from the judge to marry under 18 (16 minimum not under). It's possible since 2004 (so recently ) But many associations are against and try to reform it to 18 not under.

By the way, it's also possible in the Us to marry a minor.
I remember an actor of the Green Mile movie married a girl aged 16. And he was like 30 years more than her (at least).

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Find me a few Muslims who will disagree with these two statements:

- The Quran is the perfect, final, timeless and unalterable word of god
- Muhammad was god's messenger and he is the perfect role model for humans.

Neither of those two statements lead to a Muslim interpreting the Qur'an or Muhammad's statements the way you do.
If you were to ask whether or not Christians believe the bible is the perfect, unalterable word of God and then say 'Oh, you must support infanticide then, because of Psalm 137:9,' they would understandably tell you to bugger off because, obviously, that's not how they interpret that scripture. The same is true of Muslims and passages and quotations you feel promote violence. And why constantly bringing it up with Muslims here (And most of the world, really) feels like, to them, you're either putting words in their mouth or building straw Muslims.

 

[icehorse]

Neither of those two statements lead to a Muslim interpreting the Qur'an or Muhammad's statements the way you do.

Of course history shows us that there are many interpretations. That said, history shows us that the interpretations that worry me are not at all rare.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Of course history shows us that there are many interpretations. That said, history shows us that the interpretations that worry me are not at all rare.

Rare compared to what? Christians beating gays in hate crimes isn't all that rare either, that doesn't change that Christian acceptance of legal homosexuality and even same sex marriage is in the majority. Saying at this point that Christianity is the real problem is a reduction to the absurd.

Islamic violence is really freaking overstated when you look at the Muslim population as a whole. And the 'worrying aspects' are so often trumped up fearmongering that it's hard to maintain the facade, especially after actually sitting down and getting to know people in ones Muslim community, which I find most of these fear and panic people rarely do.

 

[psychoslice]

If all other nations flooded the Muslim world, I wonder how they would react ?.

 

[icehorse]

Islamic violence is really freaking overstated when you look at the Muslim population as a whole.

And please notice that I haven't brought up violence in this thread, and that in general I feel that discussing violence as it pertains to Islam is almost always a distraction, a red herring of sorts.

As far as bringing Christian misbehaviors into the discussion, maybe you could tell me why you think this is a valid argument? This argument is commonly used and it almost always feels like a "two wrongs make it right" sort of argument?

 

[Nakosis]

If all other nations flooded the Muslim world, I wonder how they would react ?.

Here's one Muslim's take...

From the Muslim point of view, to quote Muhammad Husayn Fadlallah, the spiritual leader of Hezbollah, “The enemies are after Islam. Not the official Islam that moves freely in the royal palaces, but the Koranic Islam. These are the committed Muslims that the enemy seeks to destroy. (And the enemy) calls us extremists, radicals and terrorists.” From the Muslim point of view, any culture that threatens the truly devout Muslim’s religious commitment is considered the “enemy”. Therefore, Western culture is the obvious enemy of Islam and America is the leader of all the Western countries.

Why the Muslim and Western Cultures Will Continue to Clash

 

[Politesse]

If all other nations flooded the Muslim world, I wonder how they would react ?.

That's exactly what happened during the World Wars, and the answer is right in front of you.

 

[psychoslice]

That's exactly what happened during the World Wars, and the answer is right in front of you.

Not very good at all.

 

[gnostic]

Illegal?

LOL

Read the Patriot Act. It pretty much suspends habeus corpus.

And speaking of alleged US imperialism is off-topic. The thread is about Islam, and the rampant and murderous terrorism that is a huge integral part of it. If you want to rant about the big bad US government, then I suggest you start your own thread. I will be glad to give you some real facts on that forum.

Actually, it isn't off-topic.

America involvement in the Middle East could be one of the many contributing factors why terrorism occurred.

I am not saying that is one factor, but many.

I am not saying that the US is solely to blame. They are partly to blame, but they are not responsible for radicalisation that lead to terrorism. The terrorists are to blame too, as well as many of the Middle East governments, because of the corruptions that exist there. And it is possible to partly blame the problem, Islam and Muhammad himself, because even the terrorists view him as a role model.

What it isn't, fire monkey, is to blame only on one party, and one party alone. The problem in the Middle East is far too complex, and there is no single black-and-white solution.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And please notice that I haven't brought up violence in this thread, and that in general I feel that discussing violence as it pertains to Islam is almost always a distraction, a red herring of sorts.

As far as bringing Christian misbehaviors into the discussion, maybe you could tell me why you think this is a valid argument? This argument is commonly used and it almost always feels like a "two wrongs make it right" sort of argument?

I don't see how. The point I'm making is I don't feel the need to be overly concerned being around Christians because Christian violence or general persecution of people like me, while not rare, is not the majority cases either. And instead of reacting to someone saying 'My Christian faith is very important to me with 'oh that must mean you voted against gay marriage because the bible is against homosexuality' with 'cool. I'm really involved in the gay community, how does your faith inform you actions regarding gay people?' The latter not making an assumption that my interpretation of the bible will be theirs, especially considering the majority of Christians no longer actively oppose many LGBT issues.

This has also been my experience with most Muslims.

 

[Alison Wonderland]

They don't necessarily hate Muslims.
They hate Islam.
They think it's a barbaric religion from the Middle Ages, that advocates slaughtering non-believers.

- Women being institutionally tortured, raped and murdered in genuine rape cultures such as Iran and Taliban-occupied Afghanistan to name just two;
- The seemingly exponential increase in Islamic related terrorism in just the last two years

These two points seem to be far more than enough to foster a persons hatred for the religion, in addition to the reasons named in the above post.

 

[psychoslice]

- Women being institutionally tortured, raped and murdered in genuine rape cultures such as Iran and Taliban-occupied Afghanistan to name just two;
- The seemingly exponential increase in Islamic related terrorism in just the last two years

These two points seem to be far more than enough to foster a persons hatred for the religion, in addition to the reasons named in the above post.

Yes so true, this is how many women are being treated by Muslim men, if you can call them men.

 

[J2hapydna]

People sometimes hate, what they don't understand. If more people would read the Qur'an, they'd not hate Islam, and they'd stop viewing Islam through the lens of ISIS.

Unfortunately, it's not as easy as just reading the Quran. Many non Muslims don't realize that educated moderate Sunni Muslims privately lean upon alternative narratives to soften the official Orthodox view. This is because after the Rashidun, official power fell into less than scrupulous hands of people such as caliph Yazid who was known for his proclivity to muzzle dissent and lead a dishonest life. So parsing what MP taught from what is in the official narrative to get to the truth becomes delicate work that scholars don't talk about openly.

For example the Orthodox narrative cannot explain verses such as, 28:48-49 and 3:199

You can't expect a non Muslim to figure this out by just reading the Quran

 

[J2hapydna]

- Women being institutionally tortured, raped and murdered in genuine rape cultures such as Iran and Taliban-occupied Afghanistan to name just two;
- The seemingly exponential increase in Islamic related terrorism in just the last two years

These two points seem to be far more than enough to foster a persons hatred for the religion, in addition to the reasons named in the above post.

This is true. The average westerner can't be expected to understand that this dying interpretation of Islam was revived by the Saudis in the 80s at our request to defeat the soviets in Afghanistan. The average westerner also can't be expected to remember that Reagan was shaking hands with the "gentleman Taliban" who saved the west and helped bring down the Berlin Wall by defeating the Russians

 

[Alison Wonderland]

This is true. The average westerner can't be expected to understand that this dying interpretation of Islam was revived by the Saudis in the 80s at our request to defeat the soviets in Afghanistan. The average westerner also can't be expected to remember that Reagan was shaking hands with the "gentleman Taliban" who saved the west and helped bring down the Berlin Wall by defeating the Russians

What is this garbage?

That the above described rape, torture and murder of women is somehow the fault of the west.

It's like a kid in a playground being pulled up for hitting another kid and justifying it by saying "the bigger kid told me to do it".

Give me a break.

 

[J2hapydna]

Find me a few Muslims who will disagree with these two statements:

- The Quran is the perfect, final, timeless and unalterable word of god
- Muhammad was god's messenger and he is the perfect role model for humans.

It's not about Muhammad the Prophet (MP) or the Koran, but how these two are understood that makes the difference.

 

[J2hapydna]

What is this garbage?

That the above described rape, torture and murder of women is somehow the fault of the west.

It's like a kid in a playground being pulled up for hitting another kid and justifying it by saying "the bigger kid told me to do it".

Give me a break.

You dismiss it as garbage by making childish comparisons. This proves my point, you can't be expected to do more. It's not your fault