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  1. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    You did not answer the question in the thought experiment. Can you build the kettle?
  2. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    Evolution does not refute the argument of irreducible complexity. This is actually a strawman. Irreducible complexity does not say that that simple systems cannot evolve into complex systems, it only says that simple systems and complex systems are both irreducibly complex. Take this, an early...
  3. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    Here is a thought experiment. Try it. You are blind folded. I will give you all the parts that make up a complex functional system, like this one: Your job is to connect all the parts together like in the circuit diagram above so that you build a functioning kettle. You can have all the...
  4. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    Thanks, that is because truth is not a popularity contest. I could have been having a debate that the Earth is not flat a few hundreds years ago, and more than half of the world would have disagreed with me, but it would not have made my arguments invalid. I believe my arguments are valid and I...
  5. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    I have said pretty much the same thing that Behe says. I have used the word intelligence too, and so does Behe elsewhere, as he is an intelligent design proponent . The parts are arranged and obviously arranged implies intelligently, so that all the parts interconnect and function, such that if...
  6. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    Again, your argument begs the question intelligence is a complex system. I think you are mistaking artificial intelligence for real intelligence. If I used the word 'person' or 'designer' instead you would still probably say, "well that is a complex functional system too" You also dodged my...
  7. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    The problem with this argument is that it is a tautology. If you define God as a tree, a river or a mountain, or the experience of beauty, truth, goodness or consciousness, me, a a dog or a man, or all things, then all the aforementioned exist, therefore God exists. The problem psychoslice with...
  8. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    Just a note on irreducible complex system, as this often strawmaned. An irreducible complex system is a system where the parts are arranged in an intelligent configuration so that the system functions. There can be simple systems and more complex systems, both which are irreducibly complex...
  9. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    No, because this begs the question that intelligence is a complex functional system. A functional system infers a functionary that uses it, but it does not mean functionary itself is a functional system e.g. I use a tool, but it does not mean I myself am a tool. No, the intelligence only has...
  10. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    I never said the universe needs explanation. So there is another strawman there. I have argued that if we find a complex functional system we necessarily infer an intelligence. That is because it points to an intelligence. There is an older watchmaker argument which argues similarly, if I were...
  11. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    Nope, as I already argued, this is a strawman. As I have always said materialists do not have a consistent standard of truth. The argument is consistent. If you saw a piece of nanomachinary you would infer an intelligence; but here you are seeing the most complex and sophisticated piece of...
  12. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    I don't claim ownership of God. All I have argued in the OP that a supervising intelligence necessarily exists, to maintain the universe so life can exist and thrive within it. That, is because the complexity of all natural processes so that life can exist is fine-tuned for just that. It is a...
  13. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    That is because I am not arguing for my particular God :) I have not even used the word "God" in the OP. It is interesting to note, that my critics, have all tried to strawman my argument. Read the OP again and respond to the actual arguments, and not strawmans of it.
  14. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    That was not my argument. Hence I used the generic term "intelligence" I am not assigning any attributes to that intelligence like what it looks like, what it wears, who are its chosen people.
  15. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    Sure, but that does that mean that everybody is using the word "quantum' improperly. In fact I am using it the same way the father of quantum theory Max Plank used it. If you look a few posts back even I said that QM can be used to predict the behaviour of particles to the trillion of a part...
  16. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    This is assuming the superiority of the attitude of the mystic. Besides you are not a mystic anyway, as far as I know you believe in God and daily worship God. Yeah I see this as a common tendency among Hindus to sort of play the other Hindu down so that Hindu's don't look bad. It is far rarer...
  17. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    I agree and I will create a thread soon exactly on the subject. Parapsychology is the biggest proof against materialism. However, Parapsychology cannot prove or disprove God. In can prove materialism wrong, for example by showing the soul exists or that mind extends beyond matter. Hence, why...
  18. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    Again, you failed to respond to the actual argument. If I see an intricately functioning system like a city, I infer there is a intelligence behind it. Now, in the case of a single cell, it an intricately functioning system at the nanolevel, then why should I not infer an intelligence? Your...
  19. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    About 95% Dark energy and matter ;) At the quantum level all the physical laws you are talking about disappear. The quantum level is uncertain, not coherent, not predictable, the non-quantum level it is coherent, predictable and certain. Hence, if at the foundation level there is nothing but...
  20. Spirit_Warrior

    Hindu Proof of God: Best Arguments

    Hi George ji, It does not tell us anything about God, it merely indicates God. I accept that one can only know God when they directly experienced God. However, then you have to communicate your experience to others and in communicating it you have to use words and logic to show why God is true...
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