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  1. VoidoftheSun

    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Both "Son(s) of God" and referring to YHWH as "Father" do have their Jewish precedents. The Tanakh of full of different instances of so-called "Son(s) of God", including the famed Exodus 4:22. From a exegetical POV, I'm more likely to take a Jewish view on this and place all these terms within...
  2. VoidoftheSun

    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    When a Muslim looks at Matthew/Mark/Luke/John they see exactly what it is, oral tradition. In the case of the aforementioned NT texts, they see Hadiths without chains of transmission with wild claims. Jesus the actual person is one thing, what he received from God (Surah 5:46, Surah 57:27) is...
  3. VoidoftheSun

    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    Your dispute is not with Muslims, it's with God.
  4. VoidoftheSun

    Concerning the Islamic Conception of Jesus

    How literally are we to take these things? will he come from space?
  5. VoidoftheSun

    Is the Muslim Jesus cited in the Qur'an possibly historical?

    You're hilarious. So you're seriously gonna tell me that there is no Protestant anti-Catholicism and Catholic anti-Protestantism, and that you think all interpretations of Christianity are all true? :D
  6. VoidoftheSun

    Is the Muslim Jesus cited in the Qur'an possibly historical?

    And Islam has Imamate (from the Progeny of Muhammad), which is even more direct and isn't lost to history like your apostles.
  7. VoidoftheSun

    Is the Muslim Jesus cited in the Qur'an possibly historical?

    Same can be said for Christianity but much more worse than for Islam. However Islam doesn't arbitrarily splinter like Christianity does. Once you deny apologetic succession and the authority of the Pope, all you have is a path into relativism. Christianity itself is just a belief system and so...
  8. VoidoftheSun

    Is the Muslim Jesus cited in the Qur'an possibly historical?

    Lol Imagine tell God that God is copying from itself :tearsofjoy: You are one of the more humorous Christians out there
  9. VoidoftheSun

    Is the Muslim Jesus cited in the Qur'an possibly historical?

    That is the center and whole purpose of Islam. What a weird thing of you to say. In Islam worldly concerns and below spiritual concerns. I'll give you a starter: Spirituality in Shi’i Islam: An Overview And I would HIGHLY recommend getting this book...
  10. VoidoftheSun

    Fulfillment of Prophecy in the New Testament

    There are no prophecies of Jesus in the Tanakh, period.
  11. VoidoftheSun

    Fulfillment of Prophecy in the New Testament

    Which is the equivalent to a Christian asking a Jew if Jesus' teachings contradict Moses'.
  12. VoidoftheSun

    Can the vagueness of what this post says be true?

    My thoughts the same.
  13. VoidoftheSun

    Fulfillment of Prophecy in the New Testament

    Not a Baha'i but your comment is dishonest. Christians don't just follow Jesus (and the 12 Disciples), they follow all the Old Testament Prophets, Muslims believe in Muhammad (and the 12 Imams) after Jesus and Baha'i's believe in the Bab and Baha'u'llah after Muhammad. Unless your a...
  14. VoidoftheSun

    Who is the Baha’i Jesus and how does He differ from the Christian Jesus?

    Also worth noting that Imam Ali was also called "Friend of God" and "Lion of God". Prophet Muhammad was called "Slave of God". I find the tendency very interesting, beside that basically any of the names of Prophets in the Old Testament (Tanakh) bearing an "el" as part of their name had some...
  15. VoidoftheSun

    Why did God send Scriptures after another Scripture?

    And I mean that the Bible is just about things happening but isn't the things themselves happening. You have accounts of Prophets, sure, but you don't have their scriptures nor their direct sayings, nor a book directly revealed by God. With the Qur'an it immensely contrasts what you have, by...
  16. VoidoftheSun

    Why did God send Scriptures after another Scripture?

    There are different streams of law, there is also no innate "progression" (where is there to go to?) other than from ignorance to knowledge. The Baha'i view tends to represent it more in regards to the world's largest religions than in the wider scope of revelations and sages around the world...
  17. VoidoftheSun

    Why did God send Scriptures after another Scripture?

    I know I won't get anywhere with you, but my follow up question would be; why doesn't God send revelation? - in contrast the Biblical belief of revelation just being an element of a story plot in your narratives where a Prophet is simply a story character.
  18. VoidoftheSun

    Why did God send Scriptures after another Scripture?

    Both A and B, but not B in the way that Baha'i's see it. B more on a wider scale (as Prophets have been sent to every part of the world through history).
  19. VoidoftheSun

    Is the Muslim Jesus cited in the Qur'an possibly historical?

    So you're saying that (as you believe Jesus is God incarnate, etc). That's God doesn't own the material world? so you're saying that earth is somewhere that God's power and influence is limited etc? "Do you not know that God's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth, and that besides God...
  20. VoidoftheSun

    Is the Muslim Jesus cited in the Qur'an possibly historical?

    I'd recommend diving into this bombshell mammoth book from Robert Eisenmann: https://www.amazon.com/James-Brother-Jesus-Unlocking-Christianity/dp/014025773X
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