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  1. Sundance

    The Bahai interpretation of Jesus, the crucifixion, and him in the Qur'an

    I couldn’t say, but perhaps the Latin manuscripts – unlike the Greek, Arabic, and Syriac – do not contain the Testimonium. It was difficult, but thanks to a paper by one Shlomo Pines on the Arabic Testimonium from Agapius’ translation, I’ve found the text (PDF version) as follows:
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    The Bahai interpretation of Jesus, the crucifixion, and him in the Qur'an

    @firedragon, in a separate thread, I myself recall making reference to these same sources critiquing another attempt of yours to discredit the historicity of Jesus’s Crucifixion, namely Josephus and Tacitus. We had further gone on to discuss the interpolation in Josephus’s passage in...
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    How Many Pages/Messages Is Your Longest PM Thread?

    As for conversations, 150 pages. (Yes, I checked to make sure.) :D
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    Aren't you glad Jesus got violently executed? Why not?

    The unfortunate death of Jesus of Nazareth is a saddening thing. Yet, it does give ample room to contemplation. In my case, it reminds me of the death of Socrates, who was put to death by poisoning for teaching about “things in the Heavens and on earth”, distancing himself from the gods of the...
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    No Equality Amongst Gods

    That would be anachronistic, to say the least. Besides, if each god and goddess has their own will, their own desires, how could you get them to come to any kind of an agreement without something greater to unify them? Or how could morality and ethics be figured out if there is no singular...
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    Christians are polytheists?

    Greetings, friend! My apologies for not having seen your reply to me until just now. Jesus, in fact, does speak to his own crucifixion. In the gospel of Mark chapter 8, verse 31 and chapter 9 verse 31, Jesus says that he will be handed over to Gentiles by the scribes and Pharisees, and those...
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    Christians are polytheists?

    It’s all right. Perhaps I should be more dispassionate in matters of debate. This is absolutely true. It’s quite believable that this were so, rather than saying that Jesus died for your sins. I see. My sincerest apologies to you, @firedragon. This sort of behavior is immature on my part...
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    Christians are polytheists?

    To speak to the use of the word “Pagan”, it had no relevance to the subject matter at hand. It was a reference to myself and my own religious leanings. Regarding the subject matter itself, you and I have been trying to work out (as a B-plot or C-plot, I suppose) whether or not crucifixion can...
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    Christians are polytheists?

    Indeed. While there are various things in certain passages that pose legitimate grounds to question the authenticity of said passages in the Testimonium Flavium, which is what I’m speaking to (not what was written about James), historians have salvaged Josephus’s actual thoughts from it, as I...
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    Christians are polytheists?

    The earliest extant Greek manuscripts (of which there are more than 100) date only from the 11th century CE. This is because Josephus’s works were written in Greek, which stopped being used by Jews after his era. Latin translations date back much earlier, to the 6th century. There are also...
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    Christians are polytheists?

    It’s more than merely probable. It’s practically certain, my friend. Yet, because I can’t convince you of such, then I leave you free to believe as you will.
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    Christians are polytheists?

    Dude, I just quoted the original passage just below the one. I know I clarified that this one was the interpolation, not the original. It’s in the book Antiquities of the Jews.
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    Christians are polytheists?

    Dude, it doesn’t take a university-level historian to figure out what form of a punishment is being referred to. The passage would only be referring to crucifixion, the most severe form of execution practiced in Ancient Rome.
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    Christians are polytheists?

    Wrong. This below, in bold, are the interpolated portions of the passage: Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE...
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    Christians are polytheists?

    Below is the passage from the Annals of Tacitus (15.44). Also, such a severe punishment is most likely to have been crucifixion. “But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the...
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    Christians are polytheists?

    What I quoted is the original passage, not the interpolated version.
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    Christians are polytheists?

    Actually, while there is a version which circulates among the Christian West containing interpolation, there is an unedited version of the passage translated from an Arabic translation. “At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus, and his conduct was good, and he was known to be...
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    Christians are polytheists?

    The creeds expound upon what the Early Christians taught and believed, as well as address the doctrinal issues facing the church.
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    Christians are polytheists?

    Have you yourself taken some time in understanding why their creeds are formulated as they are?
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