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  1. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    The point of that parable was not to dwell on the thieves because they were not the point. The issue was neighborliness which Christ intended to illustrate with those that He did dwell on. I think you are making assumptions about what an Elder or a Stake President, or even myself might do...
  2. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    We are talking about what God sanctions, not what man sanctions. God did establish a precedence concerning plural marriage in the Old Testament. God re-established plural marriage for a time because of all the male members of the church who were murdered during the Mormon expulsions from one...
  3. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    Well, that has been established by the SCOTUS hasn't it? Please just remember that when the law suits begin to appear attempting to get one religion or other to solemnize homosexual unions. Your interpretation of Christianity versus some made up concept you refer to as Paulians is absurd and...
  4. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    If my arguments for my point of view seem like arrogance to you, there s not much I can do about that except to say that I am surprised that it needs to be said that if I didn't believe what I believe, then I wouldn't believe it... would I? If I believe my position to be true, then of course, I...
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    Christians: How do you know Lucifer is evil?

    I'm a little amused at the question. It is phrased such as Lucifer himself would ask it. The only source of information we have on Lucifer. We would not even know the name otherwise, and it is presented as though it were propaganda. The question seems to want to suggest that Lucifer is the...
  6. ether-ore

    What was Jesus doing from when he did that thing when he was 13 until he got killed on the cross?

    I actually like this statement... this definition of Intelligence. Within my own faith, we believe that the "Intelligences" have always existed without beginning. But I have to disagree with the previous post; that he academic cannot know of spiritual things. That presupposes that the...
  7. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    I did not realize I was having a conversation with you still. From now on if you do not respond to me, I will not respond to you.
  8. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    Nice cop out.
  9. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    You are attempting to suggest that God's laws are not objective (applicable in all places and at all times). By saying there is no right or wrong, you are saying that all right and wrong is purely subjective and that depending who is in power, you could be right today and wrong tomorrow. God's...
  10. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    My point is not to deny the truth of that statement, but that that is not all the New Testament has to say. Surely you do not suggest that repentance is not spoken of as well or that sins of various types were not spoken against. Perhaps it should be asked what does it mean to love God? John...
  11. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    I know because of what has been revealed about what God's desires for His children after this life. Plural marriage is sanctioned by God on some occasions and only on those occasions. He allows it for reasons of His own but for now, it is one man and one wife. Nowhere in scripture has God...
  12. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    If you believe that is all the whole of the New Testament has to say on why we are here, then there are a lot of wasted words within its pages. The New Testament cannot be interpreted outside of things the Old testament has to say, but the New Testament by itself enjoins the idea of repentance...
  13. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    I am content to wait and see who is right when Christ returns.
  14. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    Good grief. I don't know how to make it any plainer. The only place where God's law allows a sexual expression of love is between one man and one woman who are married. God's law does not recognize marriage between same sex couples. They may have civil marriages while in mortality until death...
  15. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    If one thinks in terms of an eternal perspective rather than a temporal one then the answer to this question become clear. God want us to return to Him. We can only do this by repenting of our sins and relying on the merits of Jesus Christ to be able to gain admittance back to our Heavenly...
  16. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    I don't think you paid close attention to what I said. I said: "It is the desires of the physical body that the spirit needs to overcome for any sexual activity outside of marriage between a man and a woman whether heterosexual or homosexual".
  17. ether-ore

    What was Jesus doing from when he did that thing when he was 13 until he got killed on the cross?

    As I see it, the only "evidence" even suggested is that there are similarities between the teachings in the various belief systems. I find a statement like that to be dubious at best. A similarity is not justification to assume that one individual is the source of such divergent belief...
  18. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    Also, check our this BBC documentary: "The Ghost in Your Genes"
  19. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    You are attempting to tell me what I believe. I believe God sends His spirit children to inhabit bodies created for them by their parents. Those bodies have physical characteristics passed down to them by their parents and their genetic history. God allows genetic characteristics to occur but...
  20. ether-ore

    The bible and gays

    From your perspective, I'm sure my belief does not undermine yours. Nevertheless, yes, I do believe your disbelief has no bearing on the existence of God or His laws. If I didn't believe that then I wouldn't believe that, would I? There is no proof of the existence of God. If you do not...
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