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  1. Redemptionsong

    Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

    If what you say is true, then there are many passages in scripture that are hard to explain. Take, for example, the interaction of Moses with God at Mount Sinai. Exodus 33:22,23 says, 'And it shall come to pass , while my glory passeth by, that l will put thee in a clift of a rock, and will...
  2. Redemptionsong

    Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

    I'm not so sure it is clear and straight forward. God is Spirit. Spirit is without form, unless a form is created, in which case formlessness (the incorporeal nature of God) is withdrawn. God (the Father) cannot be uncreated and created. Or, have l got this wrong?! The 'express image of his...
  3. Redemptionsong

    By Faith. Why?

    The Israelites journeyed from Egypt through northern Sinai seeking to cross over to Midian, to the land of Moses' father-in-law, Jethro. This is where Moses had set off from when called by God to free the Hebrew slaves. The evidence in support of Midian being in Arabia is strong, because place...
  4. Redemptionsong

    By Faith. Why?

    Documentary evidence refers to any evidence using written sources, and the Bible is most definitely documentary evidence, even if sceptical modern scholars have chosen to question the authorship of certain books. This questioning of the authorship comes thousands of years after the events, and...
  5. Redemptionsong

    By Faith. Why?

    What do you mean, 'The Bible is not documentary'?! The texts that make up the Hebrew canon of scripture provide scholars with 'documentary evidence'.
  6. Redemptionsong

    By Faith. Why?

    It's very clear to me that you have dismissed the Exodus. Here are your words: For someone to dismiss the documentary evidence of the Bible, recorded by the very people to which the history relates, indicates that you must have a better idea of lsrael's history. Maybe you would like to...
  7. Redemptionsong

    By Faith. Why?

    That's no longer true. Evidence of Mount Sinai existing in Arabia is now widely accepted, and even large numbers of slaves escaping from the Paraoh's rule is not going to be a matter of pride for the record keepers of Egypt.
  8. Redemptionsong

    By Faith. Why?

    Well, l disagree with your conclusions. But let's try to get to the detail. I want to know why you dismiss the Exodus from Egypt, since this single event is so much a part of the story of the Jews. Let's not forget that every Passover, Jews sit together, read the Haggadah and remember their...
  9. Redemptionsong

    Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

    When you say that Christ is the visible image, and existed before anything was created, do you mean that the visible image existed before creation?
  10. Redemptionsong

    Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

    Good to see you back, Tony. Moses was allowed to see God's 'back parts' [Exodus 33:23] but not his face. Yet, we are also told that the LORD 'spake unto Moses face to face'. [Exodus 33:11] How would you explain this?
  11. Redemptionsong

    By Faith. Why?

    You have missed the point. The Bible cannot be dismissed as a myth if it contains a history of a people who still exist today. The history of this people is documented in the Bible with great care, and archaeology has not disproved the Biblical account. In fact, archaeology is the friend of...
  12. Redemptionsong

    By Faith. Why?

    This is exactly my point. From what the Bible says, it becomes apparent that God has bound heaven and earth together. The spiritual and the earthly are woven together in the history of his people. Those who have tried to create a history of Israel without the prophetic element have failed to...
  13. Redemptionsong

    Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

    The transfiguration is an interesting event. Do you think we can draw the conclusion that the Lord who returns will appear in a similar fashion.
  14. Redemptionsong

    Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

    Yes, but it wasn't the first time that Christ had appeared to men. If we are to say that Christ is the face of God, are we to say that no image identifies the face. When the Lord appeared to Abraham at Mamre, he may have had a different look to the appearance of Jesus. And when the Lord appears...
  15. Redemptionsong

    Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

    Too many wrinkles.
  16. Redemptionsong

    Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

    Do you think that Jesus meant 'seeing' as spiritual or physical? I see your avatar has the words, Face to face with my Father!
  17. Redemptionsong

    Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

    I'll take that as a 'Yes'. If the Church is the 'body of Christ', then to be in the body one must 'know' Jesus spiritually. We should not have to wait for resurrection to see his glory, for Jesus said, 'l am the resurrection, and the life'. Do we not enter into his resurrection by faith? To my...
  18. Redemptionsong

    Is it possible to see God's 'face'?

    If the man 'which is of God' hath seen the Father, would you say that you have seen the Father?
  19. Redemptionsong

    By Faith. Why?

    You say, 'The scientific method is a problem solving method that allows us to accumulate knowledge'. Well, at last, I can agree with you on something. This means that science is not deductive, because it 'accumulates knowledge' by problem solving. Does it always solve the problems? Clearly...
  20. Redemptionsong

    By Faith. Why?

    First, I want to know whether Israel has a real history, with real people. When do you think the real history of Israel began?
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