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    LDS Atonement

    If you knew me you would not think it odd. I am easily distracted and when I realize that a thread has gone off topic, I try to get it back on topic. I started this thread because Watchmen asked me to. I had no plan other than finding out whether all LDS at this forum agree or disagree...
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    LDS Atonement

    [/SIZE][/FONT] Instead of answering my question, "do Mormons only baptize sinless people?" you asked me a question. Why didn't you answer my question?
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    LDS Atonement

    It seems we are getting side-tracked once more. This thread is about the LDS atonement. http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/1506869-post1.html If you have questions of non-LDS why not start a thread about non-LDS atonement?
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    LDS Atonement

    We are not in agreement. If we were in agreement you would stop posting statements that I disagree with. One comes to Christ when he realizes that he is sinful and feels a godly sorrow for his sins; his faith is in Christ's blood. That person receives forgiveness of sins, is saved by faith in...
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    LDS Atonement

    There is no place in the Bible that says if you begin to repent of your sins, He will save you. Matthew 19 16And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good...
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    LDS Atonement

    He doesn't wait for sinners to obey to begin a good work in them. Ephesians 2 1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Titus 3 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us So are you suggesting that what LDS taught at...
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    LDS Atonement

    I am saved by the merits of Jesus Christ, not by works of righteousness which I have done. If you read the entire article, the answer is still the same. There is no deception on my part. It is no longer mercy if one is required to keep all the commandments in order to obtain that mercy...
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    LDS Atonement

    How does a person "do" a blessing? I asked, "Do you believe that condemned people on whom the wrath of God abides, are saved?" Which word(s) don't you use, "condemned" or "wrath?" Do LDS believe John Chapter 3 is translated correctly or are there words that you substitute for condemned and...
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    LDS Atonement

    So if someones loves darkness more than light, he isn't condemned because he doesn't see it that way? Do you believe that condemned people on whom the wrath of God abides, are saved? Oh, really? If men can redeem themselves, why did God send His Son into the world? 25Wherefore he is...
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    LDS Atonement

    No, my feelings haven't been hurt in the past nor do I expect them to be in the future.
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    LDS Atonement

    I've read the articles referenced and I've read the Book of Mormon, not that it matters. That's too bad, but you do seem annoyed. Is there a Christian on earth who believes that man has no responsibilty to God? It's kind of difficult for one to be a Christian without also believing...
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    LDS Atonement

    [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] They would other than what be filthy rags? I'll try to remember that you are responding because you have "nothing better to do."
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    LDS Atonement

    Anyone in His eternal presence has fulness of joy. Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore. (Psalm 16:11) But one thing is needful: and Mary hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from her...
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    LDS Atonement

    The difference is that the fulfillment of or attempt to fulfill man's responsibilty to God is not a requirement to pay for what the Savior already paid with His blood. He doesn't rescue us according to our efforts. According to His mercy He saved us. Your boredom or lack thereof is not caused...
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    LDS Atonement

    The truth is that we are saved by grace only after all we ourselves can do. (See 2 Nephi 25:23.) There will be no government dole which can get us through the pearly gates. Nor will anybody go into the celestial kingdom who wants to go there on the works of someone else. Every man must go...
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    LDS Atonement

    Your comments are off topic. This thread, if you recall, is about the Atonement of Christ. This thread is not about the Trinity. This thread is not about who has the real Christ. It is about the Atonement.
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    LDS Atonement

    I'm not trying to turn it into something. I'm trying to present the facts. Even LDS bishops can tell you the requirements for a temple recommend. Can you tell me that those who don't tithe are worthy of exaltation? And can you explain the following verse: Behold, now it is called today...
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    LDS Atonement

    Do you consider Charistmatic and Pentecostal churches to be one and the same? Are there denominations besides United Pentecostal that consider the gift of tongues necessary for salvation?
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    LDS Atonement

    The atonement of Christ is the topic of the thread, not whether man is a moral being. His atonement covers the Christian's sins. The new birth is the beginning of a new life. Sin separates man from God. The blotting out of one's sins saves him from that separation(the wages of sin are...
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    LDS Atonement

    Atone - In Hebrew - kaphar (kaw-far') to cover (specifically with bitumen); figuratively, to expiate or condone, to placate or cancel. Strong's 3722 Hebrews 9:22 tells us that "without the shedding of blood is no remission" of sins. Exaltation has to do with LDS rewards for works...
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