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  1. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    Sorry, don't get your point here either.
  2. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    They weren't crazy and did not hate the Romans nor the apostate Jews, as you called them.
  3. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    I'm sorry to hear that your experience has been that of smoke and mirrors.
  4. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    Ok. With passages like 2 Timothy 4:2-4, 2 Peter 3:16, 1 Timothy 4:16, John 1:12, no. God gives us some responsibility. The point is learning and teaching how to rightly divide the word of God, which the Bible authors considered important. With regard to a jezebel spirit, it's about sparing...
  5. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    Are you an antagonist? For me the scriptures are enough. I was proposing a hypothetical, that's why I said I think.
  6. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    It's not a Biblical teaching. That has as much Biblical validity as the little drummer boy.
  7. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    I'm not sure that I get your meaning here. Sorry to hear that, given what's written in Revelation 3:15-16.
  8. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    I agree with this to a degree. I believe within any group there is a spectrum of people and personalities. There will always be people within most holier than thou groups who share the word of God both in truth and compassion. I'm glad you got an apology. Weird stuff, and not Biblical.. There's...
  9. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    He gave us what we need. It's us who needs to follow it. For example, baptism as a public declaration is never taught in the Bible, so don't teach it. A spirit of Jezebel is not mentioned in the Bible, so don't teach it. Teach what is in there. That's not detail, that's a basic..
  10. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    I don't think it's an American thing. I think it's a human thing. I think many see Bible teaching as a service, like all other services we don't have the time or ability to do for ourselves: mechanics, restaurants, barber shops, etc. But the Bible is one we can't risk getting wrong, so it...
  11. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    I'm not ignoring you. Just have to get back to you later today.
  12. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    That idea is popular in some circles. The belief shows a lack of respect for the Bible.
  13. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    That's what I'm asking. In your opinion who are the devout who have caused this suffering?
  14. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    Who are the devout?
  15. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    They do not. All people have tried to do is redefine them from their original significance.
  16. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    A good example of what reflects first century baptism is Acts 8:36,38-39 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized?” [38] And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the...
  17. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    Thank you for replying to the OP. And they did not. As I mentioned before, they cited verses for their side points, never for the basis of their videos. The first video cited Matthew 28:19 as a command to be baptized. And the second video referred to the woman Jezebel. The presenter in the first...
  18. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    Sounds nice. I get the feeling you have not joined them though.
  19. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    Sounds like a good start, but ultimately the wrong group for you.
  20. e.r.m.

    Baptism as a public declaration and "spirit of Jezebel"

    I hear you. Sounds like there's a schism between the lay people and the leadership.
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