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    The lds doctrine of the gospel being taught to the dead

    I think that Calvinism, although intuitively more difficult to understand than Armenianism, is more Biblically supported and hence the preferable philosophy. I don't know if I would call myself a Calvanist per se, but I agree with its philosophy more than Armenianism. What do u think of...
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    The lds doctrine of the gospel being taught to the dead

    Yea I was talking to you. The doctrine of predestination is quite simple: in eternity past, God chose who he would save and take into heaven, and who he would not save and thus send to hell. Those who have or will become Christians do not do it because they chose God, but because God chose them...
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    The lds doctrine of the gospel being taught to the dead

    That is the only place in the entire Bible that there is any mention of 'baptized for the dead' In order for us to believe it, we must make sure it does not conflict with other parts of the Bible. In fact it does, because all you will find in the Bible are verses saying that humans get only...
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    Trinitarian mystery

    Here is what I think when I read that passage. Jesus came to earth to live a perfect life for us, and to die to pay the penalty for our sins. When he was on the cross, he became sin. If he was to pay for our sins then he first had to take ownership of them. Now, God the Father was perfectly...
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    Respect for Religious Beliefs?

    Since there has not been any additions in a while, let's see what interest there is in keeping this discussion moving. Christian doctrine is quite clear and unapologetically direct: Heaven is real and so is Hell, and there is ONLY ONE WAY for a person to get into heaven. Jesus Christ is the...
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    The lds doctrine of the gospel being taught to the dead

    Why is clear quoting so much from the gnostic Bible? Orthodox Christianity does not recognize the gnostic bible as canon. You can't quite non-canon texts to make your argument about what "ancient Christians" believed when those texts have never been used as official church canon. Don't quote...
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    Book of Mormon

    It was started by Clear. It's in the general Christian chat, I believe.
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    Book of Mormon

    This whole thing started from a side comment I made to a post made by Watchmen. We can get back to talking about the BoM if you want. Like I've said earlier, I don't believe it because its historicity. It has good stories and I can see how they can be positively inspiring, but it's not good...
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    The Mystery of the Empty Tomb

    What is the difference between being risen and being raised? Do you mean to say the gospels say Jesus was raised as in picked up, instead of risen mean me awoke from death? What evidence do you have that the gospels were written from hearsay or fabrication? The four writers state that they...
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    Book of Mormon

    The four topics I listed were a sidetrack comment to the Gallations reference. To close that tangent, since you say I'm wrong, then please tell me what the official LDS doctrine is on being able to become a God (if possible), baptism after death, Jesus' atonement for sins, and plurality (or...
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    Book of Mormon

    Oh sad, my reply didn't stick. Anyway, to Green Kepi I ask: What did you think of the book after you read it? Cmon now, saying what you think of the book is what this whole thread is about!
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    Book of Mormon

    It is not the same gospel. Joseph Smith that a man can become a God (that's with a capital "g") just like Jesus is. LDS teaches a person has a chance to be saved after death, hence the practice of baptizing the dead into the church. Bringham Young taught that Jesus' shed blood is not...
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    Respect for Religious Beliefs?

    Who is Ymir? I don't see that name making posts in this discussion. How could Baha'is accept virtually all other religions as legitimate and God-sent when just about every religion is contradictory with everything else? Jehova's Witnesses say Jesus is a created being like the Archangel...
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    Respect for Religious Beliefs?

    Oh, please! This is in the debate section so stop worrying about bruised feelings and start debating! I wasn't trying to use those examples to try to argue divine inspiration. I was trying to figure out how strong the objections to the Bible were. I think I understand now. While the...
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    Respect for Religious Beliefs?

    I was trying to figure out how strong MONSTER's objection was. Pretty much everybody I associate with believe the Bible is at least divinely inspired in some places, and the places that are not is because it has been corrupted in translation or transcription. I'm not used to people saying...
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    Respect for Religious Beliefs?

    Many religions are founded on the premise that the Bible has changed dramatically from when it was first written, and so the founders of those religions introduce new texts and say "This is how it was supposed to be". There are many criticisms that can be made against the Bible, and this...
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    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    :danana: Yes of course, I should have been more careful words. The concept of "proof" exists only in mathematics. For everything else, the best we can get is confirming evidence. I too would like to see evidence but I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm hoping that when I read Doctrine &...
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    Respect for Religious Beliefs?

    Are you saying that there is not evidence for even one thing in religion or are you saying it is stupid to believe in the things that have no evidence? The Bible references many places and events that have historical evidence. For example, cities's names and locations as described in the...
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    What is odd about the Book of Mormon?

    All the defenses have already been stated. Mostly the argument is that the Book of Mormon is infallible because of the good impact it has on people's lives. People read it and they feel really good and inspired and the whole course of their life changes for the better. It's true because it feels...
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    Respect for Religious Beliefs?

    I have a hard time figuring out what it really means to "respect" other religions. What does it mean to respect different religions? Does it mean I have to think that all religion's beliefs are equally true? In that case my answer is.... HELL NO!!! It's impossible for all religions to be true...
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