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    hard being an atheist

    thank you for your helpful crocodile tears. I know the quote well, no idea what it has to do with the topic. I prefer ... "If Jerry Falwell had an enema, he could be buried in a matchbox"
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    hard being an atheist

    I'm saying some religions act as valuable social networks (one of many types, yes), while other beliefs (or lack thereof) don't offer this, or not to the same extent. Just speaking from my experiances of course
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    Death-bed Conversions

    Zeus for sure :D agreed. Someone, earlier, it was said that deathbed conversions are nonexistant ... While i disagree with that, I'm pretty sure that deathbed conversions to religions other than that of family/friends is alot less common. ... as this would only elevate trauma to religious...
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    Death-bed Conversions

    If the invisible pink unicorn offered the prospect of life after death ... i'm sure someone(s) would believe in it and attribute miracles to it to justify its existance
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    Death-bed Conversions

    yes, I have already agreed that the atheist conversion I spoke of is one of many outcomes for some of many reasons. didn't mean to imply otherwise. just considered this particular senario to a moving act of selflessness.
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    Death-bed Conversions

    :D 'abandoned reason'? ok lets call it an opinion.
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    Death-bed Conversions

    I think i see what you mean, so you're saying confessing to conservatives offer no comfort to them because they believe thier god won't accept you? hence confessing to them (for their sake) is pointless? If this is your point then ... that makes sence! I guess my opening statement refered to a...
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    Is your god moral?

    morality doesn't and shouldn't come from any god. Global sociaty has/should/does discuss and decide on what is moral.
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    Death-bed Conversions

    I'm sure belief in life after death is a powerful comforter, the closer death comes the more comfort it brings, so i dont think this situation is reserverd for only the 'hardcore' believers ...
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    Death-bed Conversions

    Yes, I am assuming the conversion is not sincere. It would only be a selfless act if it wasn't sincere, because if it was sincere It would be someone cowardly deperate to save themself by abandoning reason, that's not what i'm discussing.
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    Death-bed Conversions

    Obviosuly not a real conversion :facepalm:, but empty mutterings? It's a selfless act to make dying less painful for friends/family.
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    Death-bed Conversions

    you mean to say they don't exist? I'm sure they do. Even if the belief is not genuine
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    Death-bed Conversions

    Honestly, I don't see how 'not confessing' would stop their attachment to you. On the other hand, reassuring them that you will be fine and they can get on with their lives, would help them. I don't believe deathbed conversions are especially helpful in the world, but it's helpful for the...
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    Death-bed Conversions

    Death-bed conversions of atheists are well known (to theist at least). I beileve Charles Darwin was the victim of such a nonsensical rumor. This might be an odd position to take but I think death-bed conversion of an atheist is actually heroic on the part of the atheitst. Think about it, the...
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    hard being an atheist

    well if you're gonna be dishonest, why stop there? become the minister, no education required, free money, tax exemption, government subsidies and part time ownership of fellow primates.
  16. R

    hard being an atheist

    I agree with everything you've said. I believe the same and have heard those points made a number of times by well known atheists. Atheism is a world view the same way a chemotherapy patient's bald head is a hairstyle ... they didn't choose to be bald. So again i agree it is a world view, but...
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    hard being an atheist

    Yes, suicide is a possibility. Only the imagined outcome differs. For the religious it is punishment. For the atheist it is ... nothingness. For the suicide bomber it is ... reward. Mmm, yes, atheists are more moral because life is more precious to an atheist. Life is less precious to those...
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    hard being an atheist

    Yes of course, but I see it more like a falling person grasping at air for something to hold on to. maybe suicide bombers demonstrate they believe 100%. but in most of the family/friend debates I've had, they say it's 'nice' to believe it. It makes them seem (to me) desperate for hope, and I...
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    hard being an atheist

    I've always been an atheist. Atheism has may rewards. Not knowing the answers to big questions can be exciting for the curious mind. But it can also be a somewhat lonely existance. They say atheists are like herding cats, they are fractured, often recluse and it isnt often you hear of an...
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