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  1. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    source 1 - This person didn't read OJH but read Proving History and the review he links to is a Christian site. The reviewer has zero knowledge of historical studies and keeps mentioning how much he hates using Bayes to do history. Yet can't show why. Nonsense apologetics. This scientist, who...
  2. joelr

    Let There "Be" Light

    From David Litwa's, Lesous Deus: LIGHT I noted above that brilliant light imagery is perhaps the most common sign of an epiphany in the ancient Mediterranean world. In a childhood epiphany of Heracles’s divinity, for example, the house is flooded with light, and his parents “can see the...
  3. joelr

    Over Five Hundred People Witnessed The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ

    Some are. Depends on who. The Gospels authors are at least unknown. There is too much evidence to get into. External and internal. There are also minority opinions. Each NT historical scholar gets into some of it. All gathered here: Why Scholars Doubt the Traditional Authors of the Gospels...
  4. joelr

    Over Five Hundred People Witnessed The Resurrection Of Jesus Christ

    It's known the church took over pagan churches to make Christian churches. The 2nd century was at least 50% Gnostic, there were over 40 Gospels and 20 Acts. But once the church was fully established, yes it was heretical to have anything but the canon. This is why the Dead Sea scrolls were...
  5. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    The answer you are commenting on was regarding Antinous who wasn't written in the lifetime of their contemporaries. Again, let's review. "So now you want me to go to your argument and remind you? What is happening here? I said: "Antinous , wasn't the lifetime of their contemporaries."...
  6. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    No I would assume you would continue to use confirmation bias and goal-post moving to desperately stop getting booted all around this forum. Unfortunately, it's going to happen some more. You seemed to forget something important (confirmation bias?), there is no such thing as a "religious vs...
  7. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Go ahead, show me. As usual, no examples. Pointing out hypocrisy is in fact not gaslighting if one is being hypocritical. Making up acusations to change reality in your favor is gaslighting. Such as: " constantly insist those that disagree with Carrier need to write a peer reviewed paper "...
  8. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    There is enough gaslighting for everyone. Tell someone else. Tell it to a rock for all I care. He's famous enough to have debated William Lane Graig, Licona, and other top apologists and historians. But being judg-y like this is so gross. I need a shower. Who cares? Maybe you have good...
  9. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Further illustrating Mason’s stalwart refusal to even read the article or know any of its arguments, he tries to argue “against” its thesis in the most bizarre way yet (emphasis now mine): Carrier’s reconstruction, brilliant though it is, creates more problems than it solves. It would not...
  10. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Yes, that fell flat. Again. You said nothing existed, yet here is a paper with sources. I didn't even say write a paper on Constantine first, I just said what sources are you referencing? These are sources, the end. Deal. And do not call me dishonest when you make stuff up in almost every...
  11. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    That's some more reality warping, which is now fully expected. First I gave the reference because someone had ideas about Josephus that sounded uninformed. Nothing to do with mythicism. Mason is a highly respected scholar on Josephus. But he is not a NT historicity specialist and his arguments...
  12. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Yeah, telling you to consult work from an actual scholar is part of being done with you.
  13. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    You haven't demonstrated any of it is rubbish. You only demonstrated you don't care about truth, seem to feel any thought that enters your mind must be profound truth and by magic you know more than the scholars who study the material. Calling it "rubbish" just confirms this perfectly. Those...
  14. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Not interested. If you want to know something about Josephus, ask the top scholar Steve Mason. If you think you know something he doesn't , write him and tell him. Not into conspiracy theories. Dr. Steve Mason: Josephus on Jesus & the Testimonium Flavianum
  15. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    This is another strawman. But it's also highly sketchy and more of the same pattern going on here. " simply saying that 1 person says X therefore you must either agree with in or write a journal article is dumb." Yeah, it might be, if someone said that. But I provided you with a variety of...
  16. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Oh yeah, that he didn't exist. I already know that. But he usually puts it at 1 in 3 odds against. I thought you meant the other way around. Your gaslighting just shows insecurity. Most of us grew out of the "I know you are in love with him...." phase around 6th grade. Well this will fall flat...
  17. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    It's like being wrong is your job. I have books here by Joel Baden, Fransesca Stavrakoplou, Bart Ehrman, Mary Boyce, lectures by John Collins, Christine Hayes, William Dever, Klauk on Mystery religions, Elaine Pagels on Gnostic Gospels, Justin Martyr, videos by James Tabor, Litwa, Miller and...
  18. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    It's rewrites of Paul, OT stories, Romulus and more. Mark 15.24: “They part his garments among them, casting lots upon them.” Psalm 22:18: “They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon them.” Mark 15.29-31: “And those who passed by blasphemed him, shaking their heads and saying...
  19. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    Those are not arguments used for mythicism. Nor are those. The evidence however, doesn't favor this. Carrier goes over the scholarship since 2014 on this subject. https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/12071 Richard M. Mitchell, The Safe Side: A Theistic Refutation of the Divinity of...
  20. joelr

    Did Jesus Christ Actually Exist?

    You said Mark was not influenced by Paul, evidence shows he was. As usual, you don't seem to know what you are talking about. There was 12 original, Paul and then others and no-one knows the exact amount. And in Daniel it is the Messiah, Daniel 7:13–14 Sure, if you forget to read Daniel and...
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