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    Jesus is not God

    Just as a follow up, because it's not clear from the link, the Meggido Mosaic has an inscription dedicating the table where communion was held to "God Jesus Christ". The original church dates back to 230 AD, was located under a prison in northern Israel, shows the relative importance of women...
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    Jesus is not God

    Yes, the preexistence of Jesus is certainly affirmed in the New Testament, and God created, as affirmed in Genesis, created our material universe. I've heard this before as has the historic church, but I see both Paul and John arguing against Gnosticism, warning believers of its potential...
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    Jesus is not God

    Yeah, I think we're done.
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    Jesus is not God

    "Proof texts" I appreciate all the proof text @Trailblazer, but these "proof-texts" were answered previously, If not by me then by others. Unfortunately we do not get much in the way of a response. A little time goes by, we get asked about them again, we answer them again, we get no response...
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    Jesus is not God

    Then please present your non-circular reasoning. Of course I know more than AI, just as you and everyone else here does. AI can retrieve but doesn't "know" anything as it's not sentient or self aware. This is why AI is experimental, and any results manually checked. I do appreciate the fact...
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    Jesus is not God

    Hi @learner Daniel, Some of our "no evidence" posters appeared to have missed this, so I am reposting it. Thank you!
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    Jesus is not God

    I think your AI may be hallucinating. All apostles are prophets, but not all prophets are apostles. A prophet must submit to the authority of an apostle, but an apostle does not submit to the authority of a prophet unless that prophet has a received a direct revelation from God. See 1...
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    Jesus is not God

    Don't need any. The thread is that Jesus is NOT God. Where's the evidence? Is Genesis scripture? Then it's part of biblical debates. Your biblical evidence? Your biblical evidence? That is nice. What did Jesus think about the Old Testament? Did he claim it wasn't inspired also? Is...
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    Jesus is not God

    Because YOU claim our scriptures is truth and lies and you have also claimed Paul is not a prophet! I CANNOT FIND ANY OF THESE CLAIMS IN SCRIPTURE. Example 1 You told us that the scribes in Jeremiah had "lying pens", and it's true, Jeremiah 8:8 does mention that the scribes had lying pens...
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    Jesus is not God

    I consider our biblical canon to be the "official" word of God, even if you do not. OH, PLEASE! The Father states Jesus is God at Hebrews and Revelation tells us He is the Almighty! There is no simple "implication" here, just a straight up declaration by the Father stating Jesus is God and...
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    Jesus is not God

    We have shown biblical evidence. It's just that when we do, you claim it's not biblical. God to Adam: "But you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for on the day you eat from it, you will certainly die." Serpent: Did God really say , 'You must not eat fruit from...
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    Jesus is not God

    This is "Biblical Debates" and my evidence comes from the bible. It's all the evidence needed. I consider our biblical canon to be the "official" word of God, even if you do not. This is biblical debates where the bible is discussed. The thread theme is "Jesus is not God". We have been...
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    Jesus is not God

    Quote I am not sure what you mean by "special power", but the biblical text does not state Moses was endowed with special power. There is no "fullness of deity dwelling in him", and while Moses may hold a staff, it is clear that God always holds the power. Moses has authority over Pharoah...
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    Jesus is not God

    Agreed! Reading the second verse will gain you the larger context. God did not make Moses a God, as there is only one God and there are no "other Gods" besides the Lord. Also, a fair reading of the text shows that it was the Lord who pronounced judgment and worked plagues and wonders, and not...
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    Jesus is not God

    If you actually believed this, then you would know Jesus is Lord. We have ONE spiritual LORD, @JerryMyers, not many LORDS. No matter which way you spell or obfuscate it, Jesus is Lord. When did human kings become our spiritual LORD? And why do you constantly attempt to conflate or confuse...
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    Jesus is not God

    Lol, I have to go too. I'll get back as I can.
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    Jesus is not God

    Hi @Eli G , I am referring to the only true God: Psalm 115:1 "There is only one true God". Since there is only one, any other who proclaims to be God is a fraud. Any God but God is not a "true" God, as there is only one God, and there are no Gods before, besides, or after Him. So while...
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    Jesus is not God

    It's about Jesus. Well this is easy, since by your own stated standard, we see the same reference to Jesus. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever (Hebrews 13:8) Jesus, ad the Son of God does not change. It is only as the Son of Man that Jesus changed. If Jesus were...
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    Jesus is not God

    Okay, but remember, you've already defined "God Almighty" as the Father only. I am afraid scripture disagrees with you. You have already told us the Father never left, but scripture tells us that the "one coming" is the ALPHA and OMEGA. You apparently MISSED this even though @learner Daniel...
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    Jesus is not God

    Because I am responding to posts about the Father, just as I had to respond to your post about the Holy Spirit. If you cannot respect the posts of others @Soapy, then do not expect anyone here to respect yours. Your statement is simply a bitter aftertaste from fruite of your own making. You...
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