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    Jesus is not God

    The actual, pertinent, discussion surrounding this topic did end long ago. As I pointed out, the vast majority of Christians believe Jesus is God, not that Jesus is not God. The thread theme is Jesus is not God. It's up to those who agree with the OP to evidence this, otherwise it's simply...
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    Jesus is not God

    Thank you Soapy! As Christians we all try to follow our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ as best we can. Well I must say I do enjoy some of the conversations here. If others are tempted to respond in kind then it's all very good. However the reader slices and dices it, Jesus clearly ascribes "I...
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    Jesus is not God

    Getting a book does not require a preacher, but you have to do what is fair for you Jerry Myers. If you had studied the Trinity, you would know the difference between the Trinity and Modalistic monarchianism and I would not have had to explain the difference here. Perhaps you have a book where...
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    Jesus is not God

    No, I am not saying that at all. "THEY" is a reference to ONE team of 3 men, not to the Triune God. God is not a team of men.
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    Jesus is not God

    Really? Can you elaborate or give us your source for this please? Anyone can be "Almighty God" in [context]: Odin, considered Almighty God by the Norse Jupiter, considered Almighty God by the Romans Zeus, considered Almighty God by the Greeks Whether Mighty or Almighty, whether worshiped on...
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    Jesus is not God

    How many??? Revelation 7:9: "After these things I saw, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, arrayed in white robes, and palms in their hands". These are many Sons...
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    Jesus is not God

    The onus is ALWAYS on the poster to show sufficient evidence to support their statement. I haven't seen any such evidence. The greater the claim, the more evidence needed, and the needle hasn't moved. When the needle moves and more Christians are against the Trinity than for it, rest assured...
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    Jesus is not God

    Get a good, reputable book on the Trinity. I think you've read a bit too much on the internet. What on earth does your division have to do with the Trinity??? This may come as a surprise, but ONE can be divided by two, three or four! But we don't divide one human into quarters, and we don't...
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    Jesus is not God

    Ah! This is where you got confused. As you stated, this thread is "Jesus is not God" and not "Jesus is God". So the onus is on the OP to show or evidence this, not on Trinitarians to disprove it. Also, as I've already shown, it is NOT simply Trinitarians who proclaim Jesus is God. Many...
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    Jesus is not God

    Divisible??! Where on earth did you read this? On the internet?? Each person is FULLY God. There is no "division" in the Trinity. We've been through this. You have ONE pair of shoes If you have unmatched shoes, there is no pair of shoes. They are not biune, but separate and distinct. You will...
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    Jesus is not God

    Everything you need to know is right there in Isaiah 43:11. We have but one God, one Lord, one Savior. You deny Jesus is God. Do you also deny Jesus is Lord? That he is Savior? That there is no Savior apart from God? "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." Deu 6:4 And there's the rub...
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    Jesus is not God

    Hi @Dimi95! Absolutely correct! My "Agreed!" was extremely limited and myopic and I should have clarified. To clarify: 33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10) I am simply agreeing that as a...
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    Jesus is not God

    Hi YoursTrue, I am doing well, and pray you are doing the same or better! As the Son of God, Jesus has authority because ultimately God has all authority. However, the Son of Man did not have this authority (otherwise there would be no point in Satan tempting him with such authority). At...
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    Jesus is not God

    Agreed! Yes, the accusation was blasphemy. As the Jews saw it, the charge was warranted: “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” John 10:33 The statement "The Father and I are one" is certainly a statement of...
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    Jesus is not God

    Agreed! But I’m not claiming Jesus stated he was God here. Neither am I claiming Jesus is denying he’s God as you are. I’m stating Jesus neither affirms or denies he’s God in these passages, but is simply explaining to the Jews why he hadn’t blasphemed. That's why the Jews picked up stones...
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    Jesus is not God

    I know of no reputable theologian or even secular scholar who would agree with your statement. No one claims the Old Testament is incomprehensible. The issue was whether the NT contradicts the Old, which it doesn’t. It reveals what was hidden in the Old. Absolutely! Ultimately, both the Old...
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    Jesus is not God

    Read the narrative JerryMyers. The Jews had already picked up stones because they thought he had blasphemed. Telling them "Hey, you're absolutely right about me" would only have sent those stones whirling at his head!! This is ancient Israel, not modern day America. The Jews are only interested...
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    Jesus is not God

    Then it's a good thing Trinitarians don't contradict scripture from the OT, but use the NT to reveal the Old. Triune is ONE God JerryMyers, just like a pair is ONE pair. Are these players on the same team? Then it's one team, and not two teams. We rely on both. The thematic themes...
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    Jesus is not God

    Well we totally disagree on this. Not only would we disagree with you, but the Jews who were there with Jesus would disagree as well. Also, if you check the narrative, Jesus never told the Jews they were wrong or mistaken. He simply explained why he had not blasphemed. Illogical. If God is...
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    Jesus is not God

    Trinitarians have only ONE God. If you have a reputable source that says otherwise, feel free to post it here. Trinitarians rely on the entire bible, not just the New. But why are we even talking about this, when you don't believe the New, and you believe the Old is a mixture of truth and lies...
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