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  1. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    We went through this before. Jesus was not awarded any worldly secular honors so he is not a Lord in the secular sense. This leaves Lord in the spiritual sense, and we only have only one spiritual Lord. You give no basis for your two Lord theory. So after Jesus appears to him, after Thomas...
  2. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    No Soapy, neither of us are strawmen. Please read the post from @learner Daniel again. It is the DISTORTED VERSION of a poster's PREMISE or ARGUMENT that becomes the strawman. A DISTORTED VERSION of a poster's argument is always easier to support or knock down. The poster is never the...
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    Jesus is not God

    Then why should anyone care what you say? You post more nonsense without a basis. If you have a problem with anything @learner Daniel has posted, then please quote the portion that he posted and your reasoned argument against it. Lacking that, your post consists of vitriol and nothing more...
  4. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    @learner Daniel gives a good explanation here. I believe you are giving us what you believe is true, but you often mischaracterize your opponent's argument. I also believe you could cut down on this immensely by using the forum's quote feature. It's relatively easy to use Not everyone 'sees'...
  5. Oeste

    Thank you for the winner frubal here @Samael_Khan.

    Thank you for the winner frubal here @Samael_Khan.
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  6. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    That's hard to do when no scriptures are given, and the one that are given are misquoted. Examples? And please, not strawmen. I need full examples. Quote rather than paraphrase what I said. Honestly Soapy, I think you are reading things that are not there. Remember, it was you who claimed...
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    Jesus is not God

    I am glad we can both agree on this Soapy. That's already been done. If our discussion "is not for the dispensation of truth and Godliness" can you tell us what you believe our discussion is for? I am glad we can both agree that it's not for amusement and 'devils advocacy" but this doesn't...
  8. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    Yes No Yes, depending on the context, verse, and audience, and No, depending on the context, verse and audience. If I'm speaking with fellow trinitarians then a one word answer like "No" would suffice. Jesus is the 2nd person of the Godhead, and the Father is the 1st. If we're discussing a...
  9. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    @learner Daniel, Lol, I was just as perplexed as you were! I have no idea where @Soapy got the notion that I "...don't see the Father is God", but if there was an award for best response of the night, yours was it! Thank you!
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    Jesus is not God

    Archeology definitely speaks differently from any book. By biblical I mean that which comes from the Christian canon. "Biblio" certainly has a global meaning of "books", but the domain of books discussed is reduced by this forum's structure (Religious Debates ->Scriptural Debates -> Biblical...
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    Jesus is not God

    Hi @Dimi95, I agree! Definitely! Yes, but I would say that textual criticism helps us determine if we have the correct history. Exactly...I was expecting the other poster to show some manuscript evidence where certain parts of Hebrews 1:8 were missing, but there was nothing except some...
  12. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    Lol, "convincing" readers is not part of my job or the job of anyone else here. Now go ahead... let's see if you can convince us it is. What strange notions you have! First, I haven't heard from other Trinitarians who think the same as you, so I can live and sleep at night with that...
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    Jesus is not God

    Hi @Dimi95, @YoursTrue, I think these questions and topics are important and worth discussing, but I think it would certainly derail what has been an interesting and enjoyable thread. If either of you would like to start a new thread on these topics I will do my best to find some time to...
  14. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    A bit off topic, but I can understand why it's asked. There will always be skeptics who assail the biblical account, much like what we've seen here. We can believe this scripture, but not that scripture. This is okay, but not that one. This one here says what it means but that one there...
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    Jesus is not God

    Yes, for instance, he did not say The Lord our God, the Lord is ONE Lord, and I am another, did he? So let's read a few verses again: And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord. (Mark 12:29) Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is...
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    Jesus is not God

    Congratulations to you JerryMyers! I see you have finally reached an epiphany, and understand why I am under no compulsion to convince non-Christians that Jesus is God than you are to convince flat earther’s that the earth is round. The fact is, the vast majority already know the earth is...
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    Jesus is not God

    I'm not seeing that in scripture. Of course not. The Father is God though Exactly! Any other God but God is a false God. This is why they come under judgement. "...AND Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent". I think that is what you meant to write.
  18. Oeste

    Jesus is not God

    So which passages do you believe DO NOT CONTRADICT??? I've been asking you to post them for quite awhile now. Just because YOU think they contradict, does not mean anyone else thinks they contradict. Also, as to what GOD ALMIGHT ALREADY DECLARED OF HIMSELF, He declared Jesus GOD! I've showed...
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    Jesus is not God

    The minority of Christians who believe Jesus is not God does not verify Jesus is not God, it simply means a minority of Christians accept the belief Jesus is not God. Ok, go on... That is not "the logic of my understanding". My understanding is not based on non-believers, it is base on...
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    Jesus is not God

    Well, here we go! I can understand this line of reasoning. Go on... I think that ship has sailed Jerry Myers. 2.5 billion people, based in scripture despite your claims to the contrary. Maybe this is what will change everyone around? Okay, but this simply supports the Trinity. But first...
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