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Jesus is not God
As Augustine rather famously said: “The new is in the old concealed; the old is in the new revealed” The Old Testament is Foundational as it establishes basic principles illustrated in the New Testament. The New Testament is Complementary to the Old Testament as it builds on the foundation...- Oeste
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- Forum: Biblical Debates
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Jesus is not God
μονογενής monogenēs mon-og-en-ace From G3441 and G1096; only born, that is, sole: - only (begotten, child). Who is the "I Am" of scripture? Besides, the Father says he's God at Hebrews 1:8. And you may want to review @Dimi95's post at 2272.- Oeste
- Post #2,330
- Forum: Biblical Debates
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Jesus is not God
Your response is illogical. NOWHERE is "God Almighty" mentioned here, let alone any "judging". You assured us the Son of God is not God, remember? So this should be very easy to complete: 1. The only begotten Son of Frog is Frog. 2. The only begotten Son of Dog is Dog. 3. The only begotten Son...- Oeste
- Post #2,326
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Jesus is not God
We've already discussed this. It's right there in Hebrews 1:8: But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom. Sorry, but Hebrew 1:8 is no more and no less inspired than Psalm 45. Then we are right back...- Oeste
- Post #2,325
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Jesus is not God
Interesting. Who is this "We" besides yourself? I doubt it includes cataway, as she is a JW, and here understanding of Jesus is distinctly different from your own. Virtually all Christian groups accept the fact that Jesus is God, they just understand how he is God in different ways. Even...- Oeste
- Post #2,321
- Forum: Biblical Debates
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Jesus is not God
Then we are right back to where we started, concerning the veracity of Scripture, and whether Hebrews and other books should be ripped from the canon. "And to the Son..." is located in Hebrews 1:8. It shows the Father addressing someone else besides Himself as God. This God is the Son, and he...- Oeste
- Post #2,320
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Jesus is not God
The Father is speaking in the first person here. He says the Son is God. It is important to remember there is only ONE true God, so who is this other God that the Father calls God? It is the Son, as He has only one begotten Son. Yes, as explained before, the Father is talking to the Son. The...- Oeste
- Post #2,317
- Forum: Biblical Debates
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Jesus is not God
No, your rendering of John 1:1 is an aberrant reading to virtually every major Christian denomination one can think of, which is unsurprising since you believe scripture is "corrupted" and a "mixture of truth and lies". It's simply your personal opinion, unsupported and not collaborated. I...- Oeste
- Post #2,316
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Jesus is not God
Of course it's an aberrant reading. John 1:14, just 13 verses after our reading of John 1:1, tells us exactly who the Word is: "The Word became flesh and dwelt among us". But then, you also believe our scriptures became corrupt during the time of Jeremiah or before: You claim the nonsense...- Oeste
- Post #2,312
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Jesus is not God
It depends on what you mean by “mangod”. If by “mangod” you mean half-man and half-god, then I totally agree with you. A half god is not fully God, and a half man cannot atone for Adams sins, let alone our own. Likewise, some use the term man-god to mean someone who is man but has been made a...- Oeste
- Post #2,304
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Jesus is not God
As the Son of Man, he would not be equal to the Father, as he's just a man ("The Father is greater than I" John 14:28). As the Son of God, he has equality with the Father ("Who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped" Phil 2:6). The triune God...- Oeste
- Post #2,302
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Jesus is not God
Yes, absolutely! ========================================================= Lol, I was thinking the same of you... all in a good way of course. :) But here goes.... Of course, just as you know the same. Excellent verse! Yes, he did, and the one whom He sent, Jesus Christ. The Trinity...- Oeste
- Post #2,295
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Jesus is not God
I really don't understand the argument. If I ask 5 different people about @blü 2, am I going to get the same stories and recollections from each of them? Way, way back in the day, when I read Marvel Comics, we got the SAME story as there was only one writer, Stan Lee. When we read scripture, we...- Oeste
- Post #2,294
- Forum: Biblical Debates
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Jesus is not God
That is certainly an aberrant reading of John 1:1! This appears to be you own, personal reading not shared by any Christian church on the forum. Jesus is the Word, so this verse is in reference to Jesus. First, you incorrectly claim Jesus was created, and then you incorrectly claim God...- Oeste
- Post #2,293
- Forum: Biblical Debates
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Jesus is not God
The Tetragrammaton does not appear in any extant manuscript of the New Testament. Absolutely! They worshipped Yahweh. Correct! God is our Lord and Savior and there is no Lord and Savior apart from Him: “I, even I, am the LORD, and APART FROM ME there is NO SAVIOR.” - Isaiah 43:11 and there...- Oeste
- Post #2,263
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Jesus is not God
That’s a pretty big, unfounded “if” bolded above, one not found in scripture. Jesus was not created. No, and this accusation can be easily demonstrated to be false. I am me, you are you, so you are "other people" to me. Am I following your words? Only after the incarnation of Jesus as the...- Oeste
- Post #2,262
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Jesus is not God
Goodness @Blu 2, even more proof texting? Just read the two prior verses to see what this is all about: “Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him...- Oeste
- Post #2,261
- Forum: Biblical Debates
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Jesus is not God
Sounds exciting! Let’s take a look. Whoa! This sounds like a pretty big event here. Who do you say, or who do you believe Christians should say Jesus was before "being found in human form”? It might help our readers if you could elaborate a bit more on the proper understanding of who Jesus was...- Oeste
- Post #2,260
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Jesus is not God
Where in the bible does it say "Jesus is not God"? (I am not referring to verses that you 'believe' mean that Jesus is not God.) As a side note, I don't believe there is any burden of proof on me to show this at all. The burden of proof lies with the disbelievers, as the vast majority of...- Oeste
- Post #2,249
- Forum: Biblical Debates
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Jesus is not God
Hi Hockeycowboy, I see where I said 1st Century Christians went to temple, but not where I said they didn't. You might have to elaborate a bit more.- Oeste
- Post #2,247
- Forum: Biblical Debates