‘Jesus was WITH GOD’ therefore Jesus WAS GOD?

[dybmh]

lol, lol, lol, so, we can take it as you cannot understand Zechariah 13:7 ... thought so.... NEXT.

I have never see such IGNORANCE in one place.

101G.

Post #176.

 

[101G]

^^ Definition of ONE-TRICK PONY

so we can take this as you're IGNORANT of these bible facts? thought so... (smile), LOL, LOL, LOL.... YIKES!.

101G.

 

[dybmh]

so we can take this as you're IGNORANT of these bible facts? thought so... (smile), LOL, LOL, LOL.... YIKES!.

101G.

No, I'm saying you have one thing. This "echad" thing. And not much else.

 

[Zwing]

The question begged is “what is meant by a ‘person’?” Are we to think that God is besieged by split-personality disorder? If by “person” one means “individual being”, then the concept of the Trinity is impossible.

I want to elaborate on this point. When we refer to “a person”, we usually mean a personality… the specific set of subjective mental qualities which differentiates one being from another. If we call each person of “the Godhead” a person in that sense, then we are essentially saying that they are three different beings, which of necessity precludes a single God. Know what I’m saying? I had massive problems with the doctrine of the Holy Trinity while growing up as a young Catholic, and more than once questioned the priests and nuns about it.

 

[Zwing]

ONE PERSON, not separate, nor divided, but EQUALLY Shared in Spirit.

Please…what in the heck does this mean, exactly? Sounds like gobbledygook to me; along with all the undefined talk of “persons”, seems like a song and dance intended to obfuscate.

 

[Sargonski]

see post #149. ...... (smile).

101G.

Nothing to see in that cut and past gibberish - down a fallacious rabbit hole of your own creation.

Hate to burst your bubble friend .. but the "Sons of God" - Were "Sons of God" -- battling with YHWH.

The perspective of some Bible commentator -- has no bearing on the perspective of the Ancient Israelites .. those who wrote and lived the story .. and what these folks thought "Sons of God" meant .. was "Sons of God" In Psalm 82 -- we have the Sons of a particular God "Sons of the Supreme One" El - The Most High - The Father - Creator -

Sons of the Elohim -- like brother Sataniel --- are Gods - according to the Israelites. If you do not believe in God .. that is fine .. but your perspective has nothing to do with what the Israelites Believed .. IsraEL people of EL

 

[101G]

Sounds like gobbledygook to me; along with all the undefined talk of “persons”, seems like a song and dance intended to obfuscate.

Personal Opinion? thought so. what you call gobbledygook is Christian doctrine. God in the ECHAD is the Equal share of himself in flesh. this is revealed quickly in Phil. 2:6-8. and throughout the bible. you might need to look into that at Phil 2:6-8. ,,,, (smile)....

101G

 

[101G]

Nothing to see in that cut and past gibberish

I know because the blind cannot see. and on top of that you cannot prove 101G is in ERROR, for if you could you would have already but you cannot...... (smile).

but the "Sons of God" - Were "Sons of God" -- battling with YHWH.

Nonsense, get that Greek mythology out of you head. "battling with YHWH?" Oh how IGNORANT.

The perspective of some Bible commentato

that's the problem right there, LISTEN TO GOD.

Sons of the Elohim -- like brother Sataniel --- are Gods - according to the Israelites. If you do not believe in God .. that is fine .. but your perspective has nothing to do with what the Israelites Believed .. IsraEL people of EL

and they as well as U are just in ERROR as three left shoes.

son of God are HUMANS, just as those whom Adam and Eve had in the Garden, as well as Job.

101G.

 

[101G]

to MANY, not ALL.
it's amazing how Illiterate many are concerning the word of God. it's written before one's eyes, and yet many refuse to open a bible dictionary and educate oneself. and "PRAY" to God for revelation? it is evident, that isn't happening either.

it's amazing in this electronic age men are more IGNORANT now than before. it's just a shame.

Oh by the way.... to all Mothers ... "Happy Mothers Day".

101G.

 

[101G]

Now for all who have a problem with the term "PERSON" for God. another word for "Person" is "Soul", and Yes God has a "SOUL". supportive scripture, God Speaking, Isaiah 1:13 "Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting." Isaiah 1:14 "Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them."

that should put an end to any question concering God as a "Person".

101G.

 

[Soapy]

to MANY, not ALL.
it's amazing how Illiterate many are concerning the word of God. it's written before one's eyes, and yet many refuse to open a bible dictionary and educate oneself. and "PRAY" to God for revelation? it is evident, that isn't happening either.

it's amazing in this electronic age men are more IGNORANT now than before. it's just a shame.

Oh by the way.... to all Mothers ... "Happy Mothers Day".

101G.

That is so funny. There is no such thing as “Mother’s day”!! And you talk about people being ignorant - check the beam in your eye…. Oh, you can’t, cos the beam is to large in both your eyes.

Oh, I get it now…. Yeah, try the eyes in your HEAD!!!!

The ‘Day’ is ‘MOTHERING SUNDAY’, a man-made ordained celebration in which SMALL SATELLITE CHURCHES come to worship at the central ‘MOTHER’ CHURCH.

Business and commerce recognised the opportunity to make money by appealing to the word ‘Mother’ and added sentimentality so that it focussed on HUMAN MOTHERS. This obviously worked as millions flood to ‘WORSHIP’ their human mothers by buying them gifts of Flowers, jewellery, scents, clothes, handbags, pamperings like Spa and massage sessions.

The question is this: Is this really a CHRISTIAN celebration, does it glorify God?

No… it just puts MONEY and PERSONAL PLEASURE as the primary aim of the ‘Day’… and even worse, to set the day on God’s SABBATH*… oooh!!! Doesn’t that sound like the similar thing wherein the merchants were trading in the temple in Jerusalem?

[* I know ‘Sunday’ is not the true Sabbath. But since it has been adopted by Christians I use the term here]

 

[Soapy]

Please…what in the heck does this mean, exactly? Sounds like gobbledygook to me; along with all the undefined talk of “persons”, seems like a song and dance intended to obfuscate.

What you said is true.

When asked, ‘Is GOD a person?’ What does the trinitarian say?

If they say, ‘Yes, God is a person’* then you ask (sorry if I’m leading!) ‘How can there be three persons in one person!?’

If they had said, ‘No, God is not a person’*…. Hmmm… that’s is a problem right there!

[* It is highly unlikely they will answer in such a short statement. It will usually be some long drawn out deceptive squibble since they would recognise the trap they would put themselves into if they answered honestly.]

 

[Hermit Philosopher]

It was a tongue-in-cheek remark!!

Can you expand on what you mean. There are many ideologies expressed in this forum that I have never heard before. It sounds like you have yet another trinitarian-based ideology yet still correct that Jesus is not God!

The part that flummox me is how it is said that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

What are you saying?

Above, we read you asking me if I can expand on my comment about why Jesus is not God, despite God being Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

To that request, I reply that I am happy to try to expand on it but, that in order to do so in a manner that may make more sense to you, it would help if I knew some things about you: your approximate age, the country you grew up in, what you do for a living.

I don’t ask out of curiosity. I ask because such things help me choose suitable parables with which to expand on what I mean. For instance; there is little point in me trying to use metaphors and ideas from Peruvian culture, if you grew up in Iceland are not familiar with Peruvian culture - and viceversa; no point in using references from Icelandic culture, if you are Peruvian and not familiar with Icelandic culture. But, say that you are a Peruvian social anthropologist - that changes that, right? Likewise, age matters in many ways also.

It’s perfectly fine if you do not wish to share contextual information about yourself; I don’t take it personally. But there is no point in me elaborating on my first comment through concepts that don’t provide you with anything to reflect further upon.

Humbly,
Hermit

 

[Zwing]

[* It is highly unlikely they will answer in such a short statement. It will usually be some long drawn out deceptive squibble since they would recognise the trap they would put themselves into if they answered honestly.]

Or, as I was ultimately (after much questioning) told in my Roman Catholic boyhood, “It is a mystery of God which we must just accept”. I, for one, have never been able to accept that, despite my deep and abiding love of mystery.

 

[101G]

That is so funny. There is no such thing as “Mother’s day”!

GINOLJC, to all.
also soapy, Psalms 14:1 "To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."

and NT, Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:" WHY? Romans 14:5 "One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind." Romans 14:6 "He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks."

Oh how simple the Word of God is. ..... if one JUST READ ... "With" God.

NEXT..... Thanksgiving? ..... LOL, LOL, LOL. YIKES!

101G.

 

[101G]

To many, not all
for those who believe in a trinity of persons of God, QUESTION. "how much of the Spirit was in Christ when he G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'). himself while in flesh?". for if he's separate and distinct, as many say, and God is only "ONE" Spirit, so, how much of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') for the one Person whom many calls son? was it 1/3 of the Spirit G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō')? or all of the Spirit, or none of the Spirit? which one?

for the scriptures are clear, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

so, he was in the FORM/Nature of God, which is Spirit, but was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') made empty. ..... So, to all my trinitarians and alike HOW MUCH OF THE SPIRIT WAS G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') or made empty.

101G will be looking for anyone to answer. ..... Thanks in advance.

101G.

 

[Soapy]

Above, we read you asking me if I can expand on my comment about why Jesus is not God, despite God being Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

To that request, I reply that I am happy to try to expand on it but, that in order to do so in a manner that may make more sense to you, it would help if I knew some things about you: your approximate age, the country you grew up in, what you do for a living.

I don’t ask out of curiosity. I ask because such things help me choose suitable parables with which to expand on what I mean. For instance; there is little point in me trying to use metaphors and ideas from Peruvian culture, if you grew up in Iceland are not familiar with Peruvian culture - and viceversa; no point in using references from Icelandic culture, if you are Peruvian and not familiar with Icelandic culture. But, say that you are a Peruvian social anthropologist - that changes that, right? Likewise, age matters in many ways also.

It’s perfectly fine if you do not wish to share contextual information about yourself; I don’t take it personally. But there is no point in me elaborating on my first comment through concepts that don’t provide you with anything to reflect further upon.

Humbly,
Hermit

Please just reply to the question with whatever context you feel you desire - preferably it is from a true Christian perspective and not one that repeats the oh-so-error-prone trinity or modalist ideology.

 

[Soapy]

Or, as I was ultimately (after much questioning) told in my Roman Catholic boyhood, “It is a mystery of God which we must just accept”. I, for one, have never been able to accept that, despite my deep and abiding love of mystery.

Thanks.
I don’t think it is ‘THAT’ type of mystery. ‘Miracles’ are a mystery to the majority of mankind even though Jesus told the people that it was a matter of Faith (which is belief in the power of God to do good!). But the Jews, et Al. desired physical, ‘natural’, worldly acts that they could see, feel, and repeat for themselves, maybe like a magic trick. Also, because God is spirit, it is difficult to tell humans things to do with the spirit. We are confined by physical laws and (like in The Matrix films) we don’t understand that we, as humans, are far more capable than we imagine… hence Jesus was at many times exasperated at the people he was talking to thinking that they, the jews, whom he was sent to reveal God, were limiting themselves, strangulating themselves, by the laws.

 

[Soapy]

To many, not all
for those who believe in a trinity of persons of God, QUESTION. "how much of the Spirit was in Christ when he G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō'). himself while in flesh?". for if he's separate and distinct, as many say, and God is only "ONE" Spirit, so, how much of the Spirit was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') for the one Person whom many calls son? was it 1/3 of the Spirit G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō')? or all of the Spirit, or none of the Spirit? which one?

for the scriptures are clear, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"

so, he was in the FORM/Nature of God, which is Spirit, but was G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') made empty. ..... So, to all my trinitarians and alike HOW MUCH OF THE SPIRIT WAS G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') or made empty.

101G will be looking for anyone to answer. ..... Thanks in advance.

101G.

101G, How is it that some one can be EQUAL TO GOD if he IS GOD?

Is GOD EQUAL TO GOD?

It takes TWO to make an EQUALITY.

Is God EQUAL TO Jesus?

 

[Zwing]

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

Agreed!
See my post in thread 'Does God require a creator?'
Does God require a creator?