“Hindus fall because they worship lesser gods.” Abrahamics are trampling Hindus. Can you help me understand?

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

What do you mean by falling?

Arnold Toynbee in his study of history talks about the loss of soul of a civilization. That is fall.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Sounds like a common misconception about Brahman and Yahweh

Exactly. Agree with you. But we are competing against Allah. All religions have the cosmic god and lesser steps to reach Him. But quantity becomes quality when 1 percent honor cosmic as against 99 percent honoring cosmic.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

...it just appears to you that we fall because we prostrate rather than kneel

The op I believe was speaking of social and theological fall, please.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Different Total Fertility Rates (2.7 vs 2.4) and/or pizza consumption.

My discussions with hindu leaders indicate that they have no strategy to arrest the decline of hinduism. That is fall.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

I'm still trying to figure out what the OP meant by "fal

I understand this to mean loss of soul, spiritual fall.

 

[Esteban X]

Arnold Toynbee in his study of history talks about the loss of soul of a civilization. That is fall.

Not meaning to be difficuly, but what is meant by loss of soul of a civilization? A rise in lawlessness, a drop in church attendance, questioning of authority.? These things are and have been occurring worldwide for hundreds if not thousands of years

 

[Vinayaka]

We tend to analyze such things by what we see locally, not globally. On a forum where ex-______ subforums exist, the ex-Hindu membership is 10k, whereas the ex-Muslim membership is 160K. That's telling to me. So is the fact that there are now over 1000 Hindu temples in America, compared to under 10 less than 60 years ago.

I personally don't see Hinduism falling.

 

[Valjean]

@Valjean I was rushed due to message above this one. I can't keep up at all.

I analyzed the word 'fall' in all three versions you showed. Further down in this post, I articulated more questions.

1. from a soldier of the British Raj, battling Hindu forces, it probably means die.

Who is British Raj? I'm google searching.

In Hindi, raj means "rule" or "kingdom." Britain's control over the Indian subcontinent during the 19th and 20th centuries was officially known as British India, but it was commonly referred to as "the British Raj" or simply "the Raj." The raj officially began in 1858, and it lasted through 1947 when the region was ...https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/raj#:~:text=In Hindi, raj means "rule,1947 when the region was

Raj - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms - Vocabulary.com​

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/raj#:~:text=In Hindi, raj means "rule,1947 when the region was
Question I'll ask you, @Valjean what things people in India could have done to prevent this "die" that you are referring to by the word "fall." Please give me examples from your imagination.

2. If it's from a theologin it's probably a doctrinal disagreement.
3. If it's a political statement it probably refers to loss of sovereignty or some political defeat.

word theologian: google search = someone who studies the nature of God, religion, and religious beliefs.https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/theologian#:~:text=A theologian is someone who,, religion, and religious beliefs.

THEOLOGIAN definition in American English - Collins Dictionaryhttps://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/theologian#:~:text=A theologian is someone who,, religion, and religious beliefs.​

google search word sovereignty is = supreme power or authority.

My question is: what is convert when either want to or forced to? When is convert within the word fall?

Another question that I thought of now, due to writing this post, is: Are there more emotions at the edges of countries than in the middle of a country?

Do people in the middle of a country feel more safe within their religion than people on the edge of a country?

What areas of conversion are not within the meaning of fall?




What about interfaith, could people combine religions too? Would that at all inter the word fall or not?

Kudos for researching items mentioned in my post, but my point was that the OP was unclear. What does "fall" mean?

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Not meaning to be difficuly, but what is meant by loss of soul of a civilization? A rise in lawlessness, a drop in church attendance, questioning of authority.? These things are and have been occurring worldwide for hundreds if not thousands of years

Not meaning to be difficuly, but what is meant by loss of soul of a civilization? A rise in lawlessness, a drop in church attendance, questioning of authority.? These things are and have been occurring worldwide for hundreds if not thousands of years

Loss of soul means inability to lead.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

We tend to analyze such things by what we see locally, not globally. On a forum where ex-______ subforums exist, the ex-Hindu membership is 10k, whereas the ex-Muslim membership is 160K. That's telling to me. So is the fact that there are now over 1000 Hindu temples in America, compared to under 10 less than 60 years ago.

I personally don't see Hinduism falling.

I see far too many conversions from hindu to muslim. India has become a lackey of the usa. Temples don't mean anything.

 

[SalixIncendium]

The op I believe was speaking of social and theological fall, please.

Yes, I got that. I was injecting a bit a humor into the discussion, but it appears it was lost on some.

Pew Research would disagree that Hinduism will fall. The projection is to remain static over the next 25 years per capita.

Projected Global Hindu Population, 2010-2050

www.pewresearch.org

The table above is around 9 years old, and the 2020 projection fell short of the actual population by roughly 40 million.

Hinduism by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also, as I see it, the Hindu gods are no lesser than any god of any other religion.

 

[SalixIncendium]

You say, “Your statement that “hindus fall because they worship lesser gods.” I understand that Brahman > Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva > various gods like Hanuman, Rama, etc. My point was that Abrahamic religions connect with Brahman=God=Allah whereas Hindus connect with Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva-Hanuman-Rama etc. Hence Abrahamics are trampling Hindus.

Your hierarchy is incorrect.

The Trimurti you mention isn't lesser than Brahman. Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva are manifestation of Brahman. They are Saguna Brahman (Brahman with qualities/attributes); they are deities, just as is the God of Abraham (Allah is actually the Arabic translation for God). Brahman is no deity.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

My discussions with hindu leaders indicate that they have no strategy to arrest the decline of hinduism. That is fall.

You mean indicates to you. That is hardly informative, much ;ess probative, but thanks fot sharing.

 

[SalixIncendium]

My discussions with hindu leaders indicate that they have no strategy to arrest the decline of hinduism. That is fall.

Which ones?

 

[Valjean]

There's also the problem of what Hinduism actually is. There's often little commonality amongst the various sects. The term itself is a British description for any of the hodge-podge of sects and beliefs they discovered on the far side if the (H)Indus river.
Hinduism isn't really an organized religion in the way the Abrahamic religions are. If Hinduism "falls," what, exactly, has fallen?

 

[Vinayaka]

I see far too many conversions from hindu to muslim. India has become a lackey of the usa. Temples don't mean anything.

We will have to disagree then. But I will ask you what you're personally doing about it, besides complaining that it's happening.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Yes, I got that. I was injecting a bit a humor into the discussion, but it appears it was lost on some.

Pew Research would disagree that Hinduism will fall. The projection is to remain static over the next 25 years per capita.

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Projected Global Hindu Population, 2010-2050

www.pewresearch.org

The table above is around 9 years old, and the 2020 projection fell short of the actual population by roughly 40 million.

Hinduism by country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also, as I see it, the Hindu gods are no lesser than any god of any other religion.

Hindus have brahman followed by devtas and avataras. Abrahamics have god followed by angels and prophets. These are equal
Difference is that hindus worship avataras while abrahamics worship god.allah.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

We will have to disagree then. But I will ask you what you're personally doing about it, besides complaining that it's happening.

Trying to bring brahman into the hindu discourse.

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

There's also the problem of what Hinduism actually is. There's often little commonality amongst the various sects. The term itself is a British description for any of the hodge-podge of sects and beliefs they discovered on the far side if the (H)Indus river.
Hinduism isn't really an organized religion in the way the Abrahamic religions are. If Hinduism "falls," what, exactly, has fallen?

Once hindus were on top of mittanis etc. And the east. That has fallen

 

[Bharat Jhunjhunwala]

Which ones?

Many. Many. Many.