“Let the states decide.”

[Kathryn]

There are myriad reasons that are nobody's business but the person involved. I like to save the judgy comments myself, and leave the decision to the people involved.

Someone who's making a difficult life decision doesn't need to be judged and chastised because you don't think their reason is acceptable to you. It's not your life, and not your place to tell others that you think their reason just amounts to "convenience." Women are adults and can make their own decisions.

See what I mean? Until the personhood of infants, or fetuses if anyone prefers that, is decided it's like beating one's head against a wall.

 

[SkepticThinker]

See what I mean? Until the personhood of infants, or fetuses if anyone prefers that, is decided it's like beating one's head against a wall.

Not sure what this has to do with what I said in my post.

 

[Kathryn]

Not sure what this has to do with what I said in my post.

It had to do with your overall tone.

 

[Copernicus]

It had to do with your overall tone.

I thought that her tone was perfectly pitched. Perhaps you are a little tone deaf.

 

[Kathryn]

I can't read your mind and know nothing of your actions beyond what you write in your posts. I draw my conclusions from those.

Like I have been saying, so what? As long as I behave within the law, we should be fine.

 

[Kathryn]

I thought that her tone was perfectly pitched. Perhaps you are a little tone deaf.

Or perhaps I just hear things differently than you do.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It had to do with your overall tone.

But not the content of my post.

What "overall tone" do you think I have?

Here's my "overall tone" from my perspective: Everyone gets to decide what goes on with their own body. Mind your own business. You don't know what's better for someone else and their life than they do. What's "convenient" or "inconvenient" for you, might mean life and death for somebody else. You don't know.

Without bodily autonomy we've got nothing.

 

[Kathryn]

But not the content of my post.

What "overall tone" do you think I have?

Here's my "overall tone" from my perspective: Everyone gets to decide what goes on with their own body. Mind your own business. You don't know what's better for someone else and their life than they do. What's "convenient" or "inconvenient" for you, might mean life and death for somebody else. You don't know.

Without bodily autonomy we've got nothing.

I think you are being just as judgy and preachy as you think others are being, so I addressed the topic in general rather than the specifics of your post. You have altered your tone in this post a bit, and I will give you a bit of credit for that. But I still stand by my assertions that 1) Pregnancy is a unique situation and 2} until we can agree on what constitutes a PERSON we are just beating our heads against a wall.

I don't think that all women treat an abortion lightly but I do think that some do. I am basing this on being a woman and knowing other women, some of whom have had abortions.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think you are being just as judgy and preachy as you think others are being, so I addressed the topic in general rather than the specifics of your post. You have altered your tone in this post a bit, and I will give you a bit of credit for that. But I still stand by my assertions that 1) Pregnancy is a unique situation and 2} until we can agree on what constitutes a PERSON we are just beating our heads against a wall.

Please point out where and how then.

How is "mind your own business and make your own choices about your own body and let people worry about their bodies" judgy and preachy?

It just sounds like you're projecting, to me.

I don't think that all women treat an abortion lightly but I do think that some do. I am basing this on being a woman and knowing other women, some of whom have had abortions.

This is judgy and preachy, imo.
See, that's how you do it.

 

[Copernicus]

I don't think that all women treat an abortion lightly but I do think that some do. I am basing this on being a woman and knowing other women, some of whom have had abortions.

You literally said

...At least 88 percent of abortions are for the convenience of the mother.

And SkepticThinker is a woman, so she is just as qualified as you to have an opinion on what women think.

 

[Kathryn]

You literally said



And SkepticThinker is a woman, so she is just as qualified as you to have an opinion on what women think.

Sure she is, and I am just as qualified as she is. which is why I stated that until we can agree on who is a person when, it's like beating one's head against a brick wall. I also said that pregnancy is a unique condition.

 

[Kathryn]

Please point out where and how then.

How is "mind your own business and make your own choices about your own body and let people worry about their bodies" judgy and preachy?

It just sounds like you're projecting, to me.

This is judgy and preachy, imo.
See, that's how you do it.

Very sad.

 

[fantome profane]

I don't think that all women treat an abortion lightly but I do think that some do. I am basing this on being a woman and knowing other women, some of whom have had abortions.

So because of this you don't trust women to make this decision. Am I correct to say that?

 

[Kathryn]

So because of this you don't trust women to make this decision. Am I correct to say that?

I believe that many women later regret having abortions or an abortion.

 

[fantome profane]

I believe that many women later regret having abortions or an abortion.

That is not an answer to my question. Everybody makes decisions that they later regret.

Do you trust women to make their own decisions about this?

 

[Copernicus]

So because of this you don't trust women to make this decision. Am I correct to say that?

I believe that many women later regret having abortions or an abortion.

The problem that I have with your answers is that they are often like this one. You could just answer the question, but you don't. Nobody disputes that many women later regret having an abortion. Not all women look back on such a difficult choice in the same way, so the question is legitimate. Your posts seem to suggest that you would prefer the government to take the choice away from women. You do not trust them to make the decision without government intervention.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The Democratic party during the Civil War was about small federal government and state's rights. It is more closely aligned ideologically to the modern Republican party.

Given that in both cases the progressive party of the time wanted the government to abolish slavery and now to allow women the right to make their own decisions regarding healthcare, it is more reasonable to say that they are seeking a protection on individual rights, which should be the main purpose to the federal government.

Leaving it up to states in both cases ends with some people's rights being taken away. The federal government has a duty to protect those rights.

"State's rights" in these cases equates to loss of individual rights.

As long as people can travel between states without penalty there is no loss of individual rights.

A collective centralized government is really the major threat to individual rights.

 

[fantome profane]

As long as people can travel between states without penalty there is no loss of individual rights.

A collective centralized government is really the major threat to individual rights.

And if they can't travel between states? What if they can't afford it? What if they don't have a vehicle?

And what if it is an emergency and there is no time?

 

[Guitar's Cry]

As long as people can travel between states without penalty there is no loss of individual rights.

Putting a travel burden on people is restricting their individual rights.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Putting a travel burden on people is restricting their individual rights.

I will say this, I am personally against states going after people who go out of state for procedures that their present state doesn't allow.