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100% Renewable Energy Vision

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
A part of the Solutions Project is breaking down the benefits, per state, if they were to transition to 100% renewable energy. Here is the website:
The Solutions Project

Here is a snippet from my home state of VA:
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Over 130,000 jobs created, that was a surprising statistic to me for my state. How does yours stack up? Share them here!
 

Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
Would be nice if they also showed how many jobs would be lost from the removal of other energy industries.

EDIT: Definitely a cool website though, very well-made, nice idea, I like the presentation, though I'm unsure how they calculated all of it
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Would be nice if they also showed how many jobs would be lost from the removal of other energy industries.

EDIT: Definitely a cool website though, very well-made, nice idea, I like the presentation, though I'm unsure how they calculated all of it
To make an omelet, we need to break some eggs. Yes, jobs will be lost as innovation takes place. This is the price of innovation and it is not going to stop.
 

Sultan Of Swing

Well-Known Member
To make an omelet, we need to break some eggs. Yes, jobs will be lost as innovation takes place. This is the price of innovation and it is not going to stop.
Perhaps, but would be nice to see how many jobs would be lost compared to jobs gained, in order to have some perspective on the actual net effect.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Would be nice if they also showed how many jobs would be lost from the removal of other energy industries.

EDIT: Definitely a cool website though, very well-made, nice idea, I like the presentation, though I'm unsure how they calculated all of it
This raises the question about what economics are really going on behind the smokescreen of "creating jobs".
Consider....
When people want to justify something, they seek the performance metric which is most flattering.
Examples:
I want to buy a 20 year old Camry. I justify it by low capital & operating costs (including fuel, maintenance & insurance).
I want to buy a new Tesla. I justify it by low fuel cost & greener environmental effects.
Both justifications are agenda laden reasoning.

To create jobs is actually irrelevant.
There are several reasons.....

1) Any economic activity can create jobs, whether it's useful or harmful. The old economist's story of government hiring people to break windows to boost the window repair business is one example. Much money is spent, jobs are created, & by the typical economist's measure, the economy booms due to "Affirmative defenstration". Yet there is no net benefit. There is even overall loss, as people must work just to reach the condition they were in before government's brilliant make work scheme.

2) The claim of "jobs created" is never accompanied by analysis. Does it factor in jobs lost in competing industries which see job losses? What is the long term job picture?

3) These jobs require payment, & the money must come from somewhere. What would it have been spent on, or would it have been saved (& then lent to finance other ventures which create jobs)? If the money comes from taxes, then the taxpayers would spend less in other areas, costing jobs.

4) By focusing upon "jobs created", it ignores the energy cost, eg, how much $/kilowatt hour? Is it economically feasible? This is needed to determine whether something is practical, or a pipe dream awaiting technological or economic changes.

5) There are health care & mortality costs associated with replaced energy sources, eg, airborne mercury from coal burning plants. Considering these would help justify renewables.

Clearly, @Quetzal is a shill for the hippie dippie green energy cabal !!!
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
Well, I had a nice theory for a thread. It made it to post 5 before being completely derailed/distracted. :rolleyes:
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
@Revoltingest it includes that on the website I guess what he posted just shows jobs

For example it cost in Or 9.0 cents plus 5.7 for environmental and health impact.

Renewables are predicted to cost 10.0 cents.

50 States, 50 Plans

infographic
 
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Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
I guess what he posted just shows jobs
I couldn't make the picture big enough to include everything. I don't expect opponents/critics to actually read the op. That would be silly.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
I couldn't make the picture big enough to include everything. I don't expect opponents/critics to actually read the op. That would be silly.
No worries I added some of the info mentioned . I'll keep doing so.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well, I had a nice theory for a thread. It made it to post 5 before being completely derailed/distracted. :rolleyes:
I'm on your side.
But to convince skeptics, we must have the fundamentals working for us.
I still find that conservation is the most cost effective step right now.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Don't ya think it would be fun to see what it shows for your state?
I saw it.
(MI was there, but not Revoltistan.)
It's odd how the mix varies around the country.
I'm surprised that PV solar is big only in AZ.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
I'm on your side.
But to convince skeptics, we must have the fundamentals working for us.
I still find that conservation is the most cost effective step right now.
Do you mean efficiency ?
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
I saw it.
(MI was there, but not Revoltistan.)
It's odd how the mix varies around the country.
I'm surprised that PV solar is big only in AZ.
Not really different economies and resources .
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
What do you think that looks like ? can you give me some examples?
- Replacing toilets with water saving models.
- Replacing incandescent & fluoroescent lights with LED.
- Replacing older HVAC units with more efficient ones.
- Maintain building envelope, eg, weatherstripping, caulking.
- Increasing pipe size in chemical plants to reduce motor energy requirements.
- Sophisticated HVAC controls.
- Material handling systems to reduce building square footage.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
- Replacing toilets with water saving models.
- Replacing incandescent & fluoroescent lights with LED.
- Replacing older HVAC units with more efficient ones.
- Maintain building envelope, eg, weatherstripping, caulking.
- Increasing pipe size in chemical plants to reduce motor energy requirements.
- Sophisticated HVAC controls.
- Material handling systems to reduce building square footage.
Do you think the smart grid and smart appliances are apart of the equation ?

Also home design and passive solar
 
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