11 year old girl facing death penalty for "blasphemy"

[jasonwill2]

This fills me with so much anger, I would be breaking the rules to express what I want to say about the Pakistan tyranny.

I dont understand why someone would want to do that. I mean, I get that what she might have done was offensive to some people, but to go from being offended to wanting someone executed is a pretty large step.

It is there official law.

 

[Orias]

The peace and war thing is a laughable parody.

How does one successfully "fight for peace"?

 

[fallingblood]

I wonder why moderate Muslims are so easily browbeaten. What is the reason? Clearly, these fundie Muslims are misrepresenting the peaceful message of the Quran and the hadiths, right?

Maybe some simply find it useless to say anything because intolerant and ignorant people blindly lump them together with the extremists. Instead of trying to understand the culture of the extremists, or what actually fuels them, some people blindly lump all Muslims together regardless, and in the end, show the same sort of intolerance they condemn, it just happens to surface a different way.

Also, many Muslims do speak out. Many people just don't care enough to listen to them. Frankly, it simply doesn't make very good news.

 

[Orias]

It is simply nothing more than drawing lines between us and them, and really that never works out.

It works if you step over the line.

Christians did the same thing to the Scandinavian Pagans.

 

[MoonWater]

I wonder why moderate Muslims are so easily browbeaten. What is the reason?

Oh I don't know maybe it's the fact that they've been putting up with this kind bigotted BS for over a decade or longer now and know that every time they raise their voices they'll be called terrorists regardless so why bother.

It's also interesting how you also ignored the other points I brought up:

" Or maybe they are speaking up, and you just aren't listening, or are unable to hear them because the stories of these muslims are not as "eye-catching" and thus are not given the attention they deserve, causing them to be drowned out by the bad apples who can bring more eye-catching headlines."

 

[fallingblood]

This fills me with so much anger, I would be breaking the rules to express what I want to say about the Pakistan tyranny.



It is there official law.

That is a good point. It is their official law, and (this isn't really directed at you, but your post made me think of it) really isn't necessarily an Islamic thing. We can see this by the fact that many Muslims don't care and other Islamic nations, past and present, haven't had such laws.

We need to look at the culture instead of always blaming religion. Because this sort of BS happens regardless of religion or not.

 

[NIX]

The moderate muslims are probably afraid they'll be next if they speak up.

Who wouldn't be afraid of a tyranical regime that executes 11 year olds for simply opening their mouths and saying the wrong thing.
Seriously, who'se safe?

 

[Orias]

I disagree, many people see religion as an outlet that actually advocates these types of behavior. But lets keep in mind that culture and religion are interchangeable, depending on where you live.

 

[robo]

Maybe some simply find it useless to say anything because intolerant and ignorant people blindly lump them together with the extremists.

I am not guilty of this. I have in this thread clearly maintained that "moderate" Muslims represent true Islam of the Quran and the Hadiths. I have gone to the extent of suggesting that "fundie" Muslims are not true Muslims because they are not representing to true peaceful nature of Islam, Quran and the hadiths.

Instead of trying to understand the culture of the extremists, or what actually fuels them

I would love to know what you think fuels the extremists. It is not the Quran or the Hadiths, right?

Also, many Muslims do speak out. Many people just don't care enough to listen to them. Frankly, it simply doesn't make very good news.

Yes. Those people who speak out against "fundie" Muslims are the true Muslims representing faithfully the peaceful message of the Quran and the Hadiths.

 

[fallingblood]

It works if you step over the line.

Christians did the same thing to the Scandinavian Pagans.

If you think that worked out, then really there is no reason to discuss anything with you. If that is a jab at Christianity, then all I have to say is that you really missed the motivation for such actions and really are only showcasing the exact mentality that I was talking about.

 

[Orias]

If you think that worked out, then really there is no reason to discuss anything with you. If that is a jab at Christianity, then all I have to say is that you really missed the motivation for such actions and really are only showcasing the exact mentality that I was talking about.

It clearly worked out, after that whole spiel Christianity took over the world with an iron grip. It even had a firm grasp before that.

What motivation is there to miss besides killing off an entire culture of people so that one's own culture and religious inspirations can thrive?

Is there some type of more sincere motive you believe is at hand here? Please, favor me with it.

 

[robo]

Oh I don't know maybe it's the fact that they've been putting up with this kind bigotted BS for over a decade or longer now and know that every time they raise their voices they'll be called terrorists regardless so why bother.

But these "moderate" Muslims have a lot at stake! These "fundie" Muslims are giving Islam a bad name! The "moderate" Muslims represent TRUE ISLAM.

" Or maybe they are speaking up, and you just aren't listening, or are unable to hear them because the stories of these muslims are not as "eye-catching" and thus are not given the attention they deserve, causing them to be drowned out by the bad apples who can bring more eye-catching headlines."

Indeed that is possible. Please let me know the list of moderate Muslims who have come out against this AND MORE IMPORTANTLY CAPABLE OF MAKING CHANGE ON THE GROUND. They are the actual Muslims.

 

[NIX]

I disagree, many people see religion as an outlet that actually advocates these types of behavior. But lets keep in mind that culture and religion are interchangeable, depending on where you live.

Hey Orias, how do you suppose most Americans see Satanism?

 

[Alceste]

The moderate muslims are probably afraid they'll be next if they speak up.

Who wouldn't be afraid of a tyranical regime that executes 11 year olds for simply opening their mouths and saying the wrong thing.
Seriously, who'se safe?

An eleven year old girl with Downs Syndrome, no less. Does anybody have an example of fanatics of some religion other than Islam acting this crazy? Acid in the faces of schoolgirls, death sentences for adultery, threats of murder for drawing pictures of Mohammed... Sorry, but it always seems to be Islamic fundamentalists doing these things. I know Christian fanatics like to shoot the occasional abortion doctor, but it's far less common.

It seems to me there's either something about Islam that makes a significant portion of its adherents violent, hateful and insane, our there's something about the fusion of church and state that empowers religious believers to become violent, hateful and insane.

 

[jasonwill2]

The peace and war thing is a laughable parody.

How does one successfully "fight for peace"?

By killing off all your enemies, if you are the only force to be left standing, peace is inevitable. (at least until an internal divison starts a new war)

That is a good point. It is their official law, and (this isn't really directed at you, but your post made me think of it) really isn't necessarily an Islamic thing. We can see this by the fact that many Muslims don't care and other Islamic nations, past and present, haven't had such laws.

We need to look at the culture instead of always blaming religion. Because this sort of BS happens regardless of religion or not.

Agreed, it has less to do with Islam and more with government law and culture. Once you strip away the religion they lose all excuses.

The moderate muslims are probably afraid they'll be next if they speak up.

Who wouldn't be afraid of a tyranical regime that executes 11 year olds for simply opening their mouths and saying the wrong thing.
Seriously, who'se safe?

I think she burned pages of the Quaran actually, which is extremely disrespectful anyway.

Hey Orias, how do you suppose most Americans see Satanism?

Puppy lovers and fearless firefighters.

 

[Orias]

Hey Orias, how do you suppose most Americans see Satanism?

Most Americans don't see Satanism.

 

[Orias]

By killing off all your enemies, if you are the only force to be left standing, peace is inevitable. (at least until an internal divison starts a new war)

This is precisely what I was talking about.

 

[Music]

Once the Islamic world has its renaissance, it will become as enlightened as the rest of the world.

 

[NIX]

Most Americans don't see Satanism.

Most Americans see Satanism AS something.

In certain segments of american culture a huge majority of the people see Satanism (and Satan) just about EVERYWHERE.

People generally see as they think. Anyway, this is what I think I see.

 

[robo]

Once the Islamic world has its renaissance, it will become as enlightened as the rest of the world.

The entire world has already been through renaissance. That was when Allah communicated the Quran to Mohammed via arch-angel Gabriel.

That book contains everything that one needs to know. The Quran has linguistic and mathematical miracles that prove beyond a shadow of doubt that it is divine. No other book on ANY subject can equal the Quran in its magnificence. So, the message of the Quran is just as applicable today as it applied during the time of Mohammed. Claiming anything less would bring disrepute to Quran which is the eternal word of God himself!