11 year old girl facing death penalty for "blasphemy"

[jasonwill2]

Most Americans see Satanism AS something.

In certain segments of american culture a huge majority of the people see Satanism (and Satan) just about EVERYWHERE.

People generally see as they think. Anyway, this is what I think I see.

Actually, Orias is correct. They THINK they see Satanism, but they don't. Like how people point to certain rock bands being Satanic, meanwhile I list off REAL, not posing Rock and Rap artists and they have never heard of a single one.

Similarly, the vast majority of Americans wouldn't recognize Satanism if it smacked them in the face were it not for the word "Satan" itself being used.

 

[Orias]

Most Americans see Satanism AS something.

In certain segments of american culture a huge majority of the people see Satanism (and Satan) just about EVERYWHERE.

People generally see as they think. Anyway, this is what I think I see.

What I meant by most Americans don't see Satanism is that people have a tendency to see what they want. Most don't want to actually see or understand the concept, because they don't want to. And this is probably because they were told not too, or felt that it was implied that is is "bad" for them.

If you think that worked out, then really there is no reason to discuss anything with you. If that is a jab at Christianity, then all I have to say is that you really missed the motivation for such actions and really are only showcasing the exact mentality that I was talking about.

I'm serious though, what other motivation could there be for eradicating a population of self professed pagans?

And it clearly did work out, the lines were drawn for a reason. If you were told not to step over the line and you stepped over the line what else would you expect?

And I'm not actually showcasing the exact mentality you were talking about. I despise and refute any and all religions that attempt to lay claim to their knowing of my mentality. Since it is the essence of their unknowing that I exhibit "taking jabs".

An example would be a racist perspective of "any race thats not my race is inferior" and the non racist perspective of "racists are ignorant". Both statements are faulty, as both statements display this type of mentality you were referencing.

Where exactly in any of my posts, do you actually see me exhibiting this type of mentality?

I made a clear and coherent point, with reference that the actions being described in the OP can be similarly observed in early Christian history.

 

[NIX]

Actually, Orias is correct. They THINK they see Satanism, but they don't. Like how people point to certain rock bands being Satanic, meanwhile I list off REAL, not posing Rock and Rap artists and they have never heard of a single one.

Similarly, the vast majority of Americans wouldn't recognize Satanism if it smacked them in the face were it not for the word "Satan" itself being used.

Is it possible then that people also (imagine they) see other religions where perhaps they are really seeing other things like psychopaths, and tyranical rulers?

Do satanic psychopaths define satanism? or do they moreso just define psychopaths.

Just drawing a paralell to raise a question.

 

[NIX]

What I meant by most Americans don't see Satanism is that people have a tendency to see what they want...

And this is my point in general.

 

[Orias]

Is it possible then that people also (imagine they) see other religions where perhaps they are really seeing other things like psychopaths, and tyranical rulers?

Do satanic psychopaths define satanism? or do they moreso just define psychopaths.

Sure.

 

[Orias]

And this is my point in general.

Well thats why I said it

 

[jasonwill2]

Is it possible then that people also (imagine they) see other religions where perhaps they are really seeing other things like psychopaths, and tyranical rulers?

Do satanic psychopaths define satanism? or do they moreso just define psychopaths.

Just drawing a paralell to raise a question.

I have no idea what you just asked. What does mental illness have to do with Satanism?

 

[Orias]

Think of this Jason, what does illness or lack of health have to do with people seeking knowledge and spirit?

 

[NIX]

Tyranical control freaks want absolute control over the entire population.

It hardly matters what packaging aids them in their achievement of such authority, so long as the end result is achieved. Rules, doctrines, threats, punishment are usually par for the course, so these are the types of packages that usually forefront such dictatorships. I'm pretty sure the dictatorship is the MO however. And mental illness, of course.

 

[oldbadger]

To robo:- From what you write I think that you are truly committed to the Quran. I don't know much about the Quran. I do know that it's linguistic, scientific and maths content is amazing. I have heard that some of it's content was also submitted by Satan. There was a tv programme about this some time ago. So please help, can you tell us about these satan-verses?

 

[Orias]

Tyranical control freaks want absolute control over the entire population.

It hardly matters what packaging aids them in their achievement of such authority, so long as the end result is achieved. Rules, doctrines, threats, punishment are usually par for the course, so these are the types of packages that usually forefront such dictatorships. I'm pretty sure the dictatorship is the MO however. And mental illness, of course.

I could essentially apply this to my response to Falling Blood.

 

[NIX]

I have no idea what you just asked. What does mental illness have to do with Satanism?

Mental illness probably has more to do with mental illness than it has to do with Satanism, Islam, or Christianity.

 

[FlyingTeaPot]

Booo! You said something we don't like. Booo! We will kill you! Jeez, neandrathals.

 

[JustWondering]

No it is not cause to bash Islam or muslims in general.

Why not? Do you condone this behavior?

 

[Rational_Mind]

In the month of Ramadan many other things happened that you guys have missed. These people who claim to be "Muslims" did the following:
-Men in military uniforms massacred Shia Muslims
-Punjab Police defiled the Tombstones of Ahmadi Muslims
-Armed terrorists attacked a military base of the country
-Additionally a 11 yr old mentally challenged girl was charged for blasphemy

I am sure many other terrible acts happen that unfortunately never come to light. The problem is that Pakistan is filled with the Bigoted Mullah who will torture, harass, and kill the minority. The state essentially sponsors such terrorism and the attackers are never caught, and even if caught are let go.

These events show the true motivation of these bigots is not Islam but rather bigotry, greed, hatred, and violence. Whenever we look into these attacks we find most often the person has a personal dispute over land or some other material desire and takes it as an excuse to kill minority. If a minority recently got promoted in your workplace then you recently got motivated to kill the blasphemer.

 

[gnostic]

I don't really care if people believe in their religion, god, prophet or scripture, for anyone who can condemn a 11-year-old girl (especially one who may possibly have down syndrome) for blasphemy is barbaric.

And a book is a book, regardless of it being "holy".

For anyone, community, government or religion to implement blasphemy law with death sentence, not only demonstrate they are bloodthirsty and ignorant, but nothing more than idol-worshippers. They have essentially treated a book - in this case - an idol or a god.

Human life is worth more than a book. This girl's life is worth far more than this stupid book.

It's completely senseless.

 

[beenie]

Let's set a few things straight before we get way out of hand:

Killing a mentally ill 11-year-old girl (or ANY 11-year-old girl) over anything, including burning Qur'anic text, is absurd, cruel, stupid, and any other word you can throw in there.

One thing to note, and this will prove that these people are not acting according to Islamic rule:

1) No child under the age of puberty is accountable for their actions.
2) People who are mentally disabled, no matter the age, are not accountable for their actions.

Since this girl meets both criteria mentioned, under Islamic law, she should not be held accountable and should be released back to her family.

Lastly, I have spent the last bit reading this thread appalled at anyone who thinks Pakistan has anything even slightly resembling Sharia law...just more proof that, in general, people are going to see what they want to see. IMO they are no better than the uneducated criminals who have misinterpreted the blasphemy laws in the first place. Anyone who has read my posts knows I am NOT an apologist for Islam. However, if something is untrue, it's simply untrue. Executing a mentally ill minor is NOT Islamic.

Judgement comes from all sides...it's important to know the facts or even try to discover the facts before ranting about the horrors of Islamic jurisprudence.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

... just more proof that, in general, people are going to see what they want to see. IMO they are no better than the uneducated criminals who have misinterpreted the blasphemy laws in the first place.

:clap

 

[TashaN]

Oh I don't know maybe it's the fact that they've been putting up with this kind bigotted BS for over a decade or longer now and know that every time they raise their voices they'll be called terrorists regardless so why bother.

This is exactly how i feel most of the time.

" Or maybe they are speaking up, and you just aren't listening, or are unable to hear them because the stories of these muslims are not as "eye-catching" and thus are not given the attention they deserve, causing them to be drowned out by the bad apples who can bring more eye-catching headlines."

I really wish there are alot of well informed people like you out there to be with us Muslims side by side against all evil because terrorism has no religion, terrorism comes from within evil or brainwashed souls.

 

[JustWondering]

Judgement comes from all sides...it's important to know the facts or even try to discover the facts before ranting about the horrors of Islamic jurisprudence.

Who would have thought a irrational belief in the supernatural would lead to the irrational thought that a 11 year girl should be murdered for burning some paper? Are you still not making the connection?