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20 Signs that God exist, and Quraan is the word of God

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Hello Guys

In my first topic “ why I think there is one right religion”, I made clear that I believe that there is God and that Quraan is the word of God and that the right religion is Islam.

As you all know, Quraan was revealed 1400 years ago. And I am saying that it a word of God. But most of you say that God doesn't exist. Others say that God exists, but Quraan is not the word of God. So to prove both of that points, I will highlight twenty scientific miracles (or signs) that Quraan is the true word of God. I think that this would firstly prove that God exists, because the creator is the best who knows about what he created and at the same time those miracles or signs can’t be known (1400 years ago) by any men ( or most of them if you think that some were already known). Note that these aren’t all the signs. Why I chose this method to prove it? Because of this verse

41:53 We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?

1- String theory ( first studied in the late 1960s)

51:7 "By heaven furnished with paths;"


In physics, string theory is a theoretical framework in which the point-like particles of particle physics are replaced by one-dimensional objects called strings. In string theory, the strings may be open (forming a segment with two endpoints) or closed (forming a loop like a circle) and may have other special properties.

2- Source of iron

57:25 We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidences and sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain [their affairs] in justice. And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, and so that Allah may make evident those who support Him and His messengers unseen. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.

Modern astronomical findings have revealed that the iron on Earth came from giant stars in outer space.

3- Life of the sun

13:2 It is Allah who erected the heavens without pillars that you [can] see; then He established Himself above the Throne and made subject the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. He arranges [each] matter; He details the signs that you may, of the meeting with your Lord, be certain.

The above verse shows that the life span of the Sun will run for a "specified term." Scientific analysis regarding the end of the Sun describes it as consuming 4 million tons of matter a second, and says that the Sun will die when that fuel has all been consumed.

4- Embryology

77:20-23 Did We not create you from a liquid disdained?, And We placed it in a firm lodging, For a known extent. And We determined [it], and excellent [are We] to determine.

The above verses about the creation of human beings contain fundamental information from the field of embryology. The description of the womb as ‘a secure receptacle” indicates an important feature that has been better understood through modern science. (Allah knows the truth.) The process that begins with the zygote, produced by the sperm and egg cells coming together and continues until the emergence of a complete human being, made up of trillions of cells all working in harmony, takes place in the mother’s womb. This place, where the embryo completes its 9 months of development is, as the verse tells us, ‘a secure receptacle.’
The word "mekiynin," translated as ‘firm’ above, also suggests such meanings as ‘unshakeable, sound, resolute, powerful, fixed and safely put in place.’ The word "kararin" translated as “lodging” also means ‘location, stability, permanence and place of settlement.’ These words very wisely describe the womb as a sound and safe location.

5- Great explosion

6:101 He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth.


Until the mid-20th century, the prevalent view across the world was that the universe was infinite, had existed forever and that it will continue to do so for all time. According to this view, known as the "static universe model," the universe had no end or beginning. As we stated earlier, the conclusion that astrophysics has reached today is that the entire universe, together with the dimensions of matter and time, came into existence as a result of a great explosion that occurred a long time ago.

6- Expanding of the universe

51:47 And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander.

The word "heaven," as stated in the verse above, is used in various places in the Qur'an. It is referring to space and the wider universe. Modern research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning and that it constantly "expands."

7- Shape of the earth

39:5 He created the heavens and earth in truth. He wraps the night over the day and wraps the day over the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. Unquestionably, He is the Exalted in Might, the Perpetual Forgiver.

The information given in the verse about the day and the night wrapping each other up includes accurate information about the shape of the world. This can be true only if the Earth is round. This means that in the Qur'an, which was revealed in the 7th century, the roundness of the world was hinted at.

8- Earthquakes
99:1-2

1When the earth is shaken with its [final] earthquake

2And the earth discharges its burdens

Earthquake is any sudden shaking of the ground caused by the passage of seismic waves through the Earth’s rocks. Seismic waves are produced when some form of energy stored in the Earth’s crust is suddenly released,

9- Describing the mountains

21:31 And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided.
78:7 Mountains as stakes

Formerly, it was thought that mountains were merely protrusions rising above the surface of the Earth. However, scientists realised that this was not actually the case, and that those parts known as the mountain root extended down as far as 10-15 times their own height. With these features, mountains play a similar role to a nail or peg firmly holding down a tent. For example, Mount Everest, the summit of which stands approximately 9 km above the surface of the Earth, has a root deeper than 125 km.24 Mountains have roots deep under the surface of the ground
The crust and the uppermost part of the mantle, with a thickness of about 100 kms., are divided into segments called plates. There are six major plates, and several small ones. According to the theory calledplate tectonics, these plates move about on Earth, carrying continents and ocean floor with them. Continental motion has been measured at from 1-5 cm per year. As the plates continue to move about, this will produce a slow change in Earth's geography. Each year, for instance, the Atlantic Ocean becomes slightly wider.29
There is an important point that needs to be stated here: Allah referred to the motion of mountains as drifting in a verse of the Qur'an. Today, modern scientists also use the term "continental drift" for this motion.30

10- Structure of the earth

86:12 And [by] the earth which cracks open

Scientists first descended to the depths of the seas and oceans in order to study mineral resources in 1945-1946. One of the most important facts to emerge from that research was the fissured structure of the Earth. The rock layer on the external surface of the Earth was split by large numbers of cracks (faults), tens of thousands of kilometres long, running from north to south and east to west.
 
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Sabour

Well-Known Member
11- Relativity

… A day with your Lord is equivalent to a thousand years in the way you count. (Qur'an, 22:47)
He directs the whole affair from heaven to earth. Then it will again ascend to Him on a Day whose length is a thousand years by the way you measure. (Qur'an, 32:5)
The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day whose length is fifty thousand years. (Qur'an, 70:4)

12- Black holes

77:8 So when the stars are obliterated

Black holes of stellar mass are expected to form when very massive stars collapse at the end of their life cycle.

13- Rain

15:22 And We have sent the fertilizing winds and sent down water from the sky and given you drink from it. And you are not its retainers.

On the surface of oceans and seas, a large number of air bubbles form because of the water's foaming action. The moment these bubbles burst, thousands of tiny particles, with a diameter of just one hundredth of a millimetre, are thrown up into the air. These particles, known as "aerosols," mix with dust carried from the land by the wind, and are carried to the upper layers of the atmosphere. These particles carried to higher altitudes by winds come into contact with water vapour up there. Water vapour condenses around these particles and turns into water droplets. These water droplets first come together and form clouds, and then fall to the Earth in the form of rain. As mentioned, winds "fertilize" the water vapour floating in the air with the particles they carry from the sea, and eventually help the formation of rain clouds.

14- The two seas

55:19-20 He released the two seas, meeting [side by side]; , Between them is a barrier [so] neither of them transgresses.

A famous French oceanographer, J. Cousteau, gives the following account as a result of his studies in water barriers: J.Cousteau “We studied the assertions by certain researchers about barriers separating seas, and noticed that the Mediterranean Sea had its own salinity and density and housed autochthonous fauna and flora. Then we examined the water of the Atlantic Ocean and discovered features entirely different from those of the Mediterranean Sea. According to our expectations, these two seas that merged in the strait of Gibraltar should present similar characteristics in terms of salinity, density and other properties.Gibraltar The two seas presented different features even though they were adjacent. This greatly puzzled us. An incredible barrier prevented the two seas from coming together. The same sort of a barrier had also been observed in Bab Al-Mandab in the Gulf of Aden connecting with the Red Sea.

15- Sub-surface Waves

24:40 Or [they are] like darknesses within an unfathomable sea which is covered by waves, upon which are waves, over which are clouds - darknesses, some of them upon others. When one puts out his hand [therein], he can hardly see it. And he to whom Allah has not granted light - for him there is no light.

Scientists have only recently discovered that there are sub-surface waves, which "occur on density interfaces between layers of different densities." These internal waves cover the deep waters of seas and oceans because deep water has a higher density than the water above it. Internal waves act like surface waves. They can break, just like surface waves. Internal waves cannot be discerned by the human eye, but they can be detected by studying temperature or salinity changes at a given location.62


16- Humans and clay

23:12 And certainly did We create man from an extract of clay.

The Arabic word "sulala," translated as "extract" in the verse, means "representative example, essence." As we have seen, the information revealed in the Qur'an 1,400 years ago confirms what modern science tells us-the fact that the same elements are employed in human creation as those found in the soil.

17- Fingertips

75:4 Yes. [We are] Able [even] to proportion his fingertips.

However, what is important is that this feature of fingerprints was only discovered in the late 19th century. Before then, people regarded fingerprints as ordinary curves without any specific importance or meaning. However in the Qur'an, Allah points to the fingertips, which did not attract anyone's attention at that time, and calls our attention to their importance. This importance has only been fully understood in our day.

18- Honey as healing for men

16:68-69 And your Lord inspired to the bee, "Take for yourself among the mountains, houses, and among the trees and [in] that which they construct. Then eat from all the fruits and follow the ways of your Lord laid down [for you]." There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colors, in which there is healing for people. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought.

Honey is a "healing for men" as stated in the verses above. Nowadays, apiculture and bee products have opened a new branch of research in scientifically advanced parts of the world.

19- Why pork forbidden

2:173 He has only forbidden to you dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah . But whoever is forced [by necessity], neither desiring [it] nor transgressing [its limit], there is no sin upon him. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
Until the 20th century, it was impossible to be aware of the danger posed to human health by pork. The fact that the Qur'an, revealed fourteen centuries ago, warns against this harm which has been incontrovertibly revealed with modern medical equipment and biological tests, is one of the miracles demonstrating that the Qur'an is the revelation of Allah, the Omniscient. Despite all the precautionary measures and inspections that take place in modern-day pig rearing, the fact that pork is physiologically incompatible with the human body and is a variety of meat harmful to human health has not altered

20- Ants communicating

27:18 Until, when they came upon the valley of the ants,an ant said, "O ants, enter your dwellings that you not be crushed by Solomon and his soldiers while they perceive not."

Scientific research into ants has revealed that these tiny animals have very organised social lives and that, as a requirement of that organisation, they also have a very complex communication network. For example, National Geographicreports that:
Huge and tiny, an ant carries in her head multiple sensory organs to pick up chemical and visual signals vital to colonies that may contain a million or more workers, all of which are female. The brain contains half a million nerve cells; eyes are compound; antennae act as nose and fingertips. Projections below the mouth sense taste; hairs respond to touch.159
Even if we are not aware of it, ants use a variety of methods to communicate, thanks to their very sensitive sensory organs. They use these organs at all times, from finding prey to following one another, and from building their nests to waging war. With 500,000 nerve cells squeezed into their 2-3 mm bodies, they possess a communications system that astonishes human beings.
 
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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
:facepalm:

Your interpretations of your Quranic citations are quite a stretch, OneAnswer.

And you might want to be careful trying to shoehorn a square Abrahamic religion into the round hole of physics. You might find one of the Eastern religions already snugly ensconced therein. :rolleyes:
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
:facepalm:

Your interpretations of your Quranic citations are quite a stretch, OneAnswer.

And you might want to be careful trying to shoehorn a square Abrahamic religion into the round hole of physics. You might find one of the Eastern religions already snugly ensconced therein. :rolleyes:

So, 20 fluke ?
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Hello Guys

In my first topic “ why I think there is one right religion”, I made clear that I believe that there is God and that Quraan is the word of God and that the right religion is Islam.

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You are obviously proselytizing, and spamming us, which you are not supposed to do on this debate forum.


Edit - We have also shown that several of these verses that you have already posted, - are wrong. As to the others - you are just trying to match science that you don't understand - to vague ancient texts!


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Sabour

Well-Known Member
You are obviously proselytizing, and spamming us, which you are not supposed to do on this debate forum.


Edit - We have also shown that several of these verses that you have already posted, - are wrong. As to the others - you are just trying to match science that you don't understand - to vague ancient texts!


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Edited because sentences were messy. Anyways let the audience decide.

And you proved nothing. Examine the signs before you jump into conclusions.


If you think I am constantly changing it, copy and paste it to be on the safe side.

If you see these sign wrong I think you don't understand English. Because all you have to do is go to google and check if these sceintific signs are true or not
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
I think he's saying that you're reading too much into it. They are vague sentences.

I don't think they are vague. They are clear enough to show that there are scientific signs. Some are more clear than others.

But don't jump into conclusions. I took the time to match each verse with the theory that proves it. Examine some of them. Remember this book was revealed 1400 years ago.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
I think he's saying that you're reading too much into it. They are vague sentences.

And one more thing, Quraan is not a book of science. It doesn't explicitly say there is a big bang. But it has scientific signs to prove that it is the true word of God. I am not saying that we should replace science with Quraan like others suggest that I am saying.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Edited because sentences were messy. Anyways let the audience decide.

And you proved nothing. Examine the signs before you jump into conclusions.


If you think I am constantly changing it, copy and paste it to be on the safe side.

If you see these sign wrong I think you don't understand English. Because all you have to do is go to google and check if these sceintific signs are true or not


"Most" of the science is true - because it is modern.


The ancients did not know this science, - and you folks are trying to match vague ancient texts that mean something else, - with that modern science.


They do not match!


You are trying to make them match!



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Sabour

Well-Known Member
"Most" of the science is true - because it is modern.


The ancients did not know this science, - and you folks are trying to match vague ancient texts that mean something else, - with that modern science.


They do not match!


You are trying to make them match!



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Look, I am not taking a sentence which says sky is red, and I am saying what is meant is that sky is blue.

If you have a problem about what I did, then call me crazy.

If you don't like it than please don't comment.

You said ancients didn't know science. Correct !!!

QURAAN IS THE WORD OF GOD. THIS IS MY ARGUEMENT
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Look, I am not taking a sentence which says sky is red, and I am saying what is meant is that sky is blue.

If you have a problem about what I did, then call me crazy.

If you don't like it than please don't comment.

You said ancients didn't know science. Correct !!!

QURAAN IS THE WORD OF GOD. THIS IS MY ARGUEMENT



It isn't an actual argument, when they have to alter the text to make them match.


We know the meanings of most of the words used in the Qur'an, by how they are used in other places in the Qur'an, and in ancient texts using the same words.



You are changing the meanings of the original words used, and trying to give them new modern meanings, which they did not understand back then.



It is purposeful altering of texts.



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Sabour

Well-Known Member
It isn't an actual argument, when they have to alter the text to make them match.


We know the meanings of most of the words used in the Qur'an, by how they are used in other places in the Qur'an, and in ancient texts using the same words.



You are changing the meanings of the original words used, and trying to give them new modern meanings, which they did not understand back then.



It is purposeful altering of texts.



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Please verify what you are saying about texts before you jump into conclusions.
 

Amechania

Daimona of the Helpless
13:2 It is Allah who erected the heavens without pillars that you [can] see; then He established Himself above the Throne and made subject the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. He arranges [each] matter; He details the signs that you may, of the meeting with your Lord, be certain.

This could just as easily be interpreted as the sun and moon running a course across the sky for a specified period, rather than having a specific lifetime. this is the problem will all the verses you cited One-answer, they are open to interpretation. They really only demonstrate that which was known or believed at the time they were written.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
13:2 It is Allah who erected the heavens without pillars that you [can] see; then He established Himself above the Throne and made subject the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term. He arranges [each] matter; He details the signs that you may, of the meeting with your Lord, be certain.

This could just as easily be interpreted as the sun and moon running a course across the sky for a specified period, rather than having a specific lifetime. this is the problem will all the verses you cited One-answer, they are open to interpretation. They really only demonstrate that which was known or believed at the time they were written.

Maybe you have a point. But there is no way that there are this amount of fluke. Who would think this way in the 7th century. Still there are signs that are more clear.

Again I said that these are signs, they don't explicitly discuss science.
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Aside from the fact that proselytizing is forbidden on this forum, I also tend to think it is extraordinarily poor theology to attempt to eisegetically read modern science back into ancient scriptures.

There's nothing wrong with noting that something in your scripture can be successfully used as a metaphor for something in modern science. The problem lies in claiming that because of divine authorship and scriptural inerrancy, that metaphor is both intentional and there as a proof of some great religious truth. That is neither good scholarship nor good theology.
 

Sabour

Well-Known Member
Aside from the fact that proselytizing is forbidden on this forum, I also tend to think it is extraordinarily poor theology to attempt to eisegetically read modern science back into ancient scriptures.

There's nothing wrong with noting that something in your scripture can be successfully used as a metaphor for something in modern science. The problem lies in claiming that because of divine authorship and scriptural inerrancy, that metaphor is both intentional and there as a proof of some great religious truth. That is neither good scholarship nor good theology.

I had trouble understanding the English, so please easy on me.

If you meant that I am saying that Quraan replaces science I am not. I am saying that these are signs.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
This has been presented so many times on RF,it reminds me of:His mouth is sweetness itself; he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, this is my friend, daughters of Jerusalem = Muhammed mentioned in the song of songs 5:16,i guess it comes down to how much you want to make it fit your preffered answer.
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
Signs that the Koran is not the word of God:
1. In Surah 4, the rules of inheritance require shares that add up to more than 100%.
2. In Surah 5, it denies that Jesus died on the cross, an event for which there is ample historical evidence.
3. In Surah 27, it declares that the Earth is fixed.
4. In Surah 29, it mentions Noah's flood, which never happened.
5. In Surah 67, the stars are missiles for use against devils.
 

Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Ingledsva said:
It isn't an actual argument, when they have to alter the text to make them match.


We know the meanings of most of the words used in the Qur'an, by how they are used in other places in the Qur'an, and in ancient texts using the same words.



You are changing the meanings of the original words used, and trying to give them new modern meanings, which they did not understand back then.



It is purposeful altering of texts.
Please verify what you are saying about texts before you jump into conclusions.



LOL! And why would I have to verify common sense, and common practice, for you?


How did you think they came up with the meaning of words in ancient texts? They just Guessed?


Have you even looked at a translation of the Qur'an that is a couple hundred years old? Let alone when it was compiled?

You would not be able to read it.


I will also add, that just as with the Bible, there are multiple translations of the Qur'an right now.



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