Kudos for ending the war, but the execution was poor.
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2024 Presidential Candidates
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I disagree.
People carp about the results, but no one
anticipated that the government would fall
so quickly. Nonetheless, even if that were
known, staying longer, wasting more billions
of dollars, & losing many more lives wouldn't
have changed anything.
In short, Biden succeeded where
his predecessors failed utterly.
I am concerned about Biden aging and I think it is a mistake for him to run again. But the important thing is having an ethical and competent president and Biden has shown that he has it. He has done better than I expected and his approval rating of 40% really means about 60% since conservatives won't approve of him regardless of what he does.
As far as republicans the only one I think would act with some degree of ethics and do the job he's hired to do is Chris Christie. He's a strong character but has a history of working with democrats. I could be wrong but I think he would be less divisive than any other republican on the list. Nikki Haley going after trans kids? She lost with that one. Tim Scott? He is a paradox, a black man who is opposed to policies that help black people. And he won;t answer hard questions, he lost. He's black, conservatives won't elect him. Mike pence? From being hung to winning? No. DeSantis? I think he is the most likely nominee, but he won't be liked any more than Biden. So it will come down to the passion of the base, the liberals have more to lose with DeSantis than conservatives will gain. All DeSantis has to offer: owning the libs. They gain nothing.
As far as republicans the only one I think would act with some degree of ethics and do the job he's hired to do is Chris Christie. He's a strong character but has a history of working with democrats. I could be wrong but I think he would be less divisive than any other republican on the list. Nikki Haley going after trans kids? She lost with that one. Tim Scott? He is a paradox, a black man who is opposed to policies that help black people. And he won;t answer hard questions, he lost. He's black, conservatives won't elect him. Mike pence? From being hung to winning? No. DeSantis? I think he is the most likely nominee, but he won't be liked any more than Biden. So it will come down to the passion of the base, the liberals have more to lose with DeSantis than conservatives will gain. All DeSantis has to offer: owning the libs. They gain nothing.
As confused about what she stands for?
Political positions of Tulsi Gabbard - Wikipedia
I don’t always agree with her, but at least she’s reasonable. She doesn’t take extreme fringe positions, imo.
Here is a run down of the 2024 candidates and their current age.
In a way I lean toward Pence being he defied Trump by not doing do what Trump wanted him to do.
I know nothing about Williamson or half of the Repub candidates.
Who do you favor and why?
Joe Biden, 80 -democrat
Robert F. Kennedy Jr, 69 -democrat
Marianne Williamson, 70 -democrat
Donald Trump, 76 -republican
Ron DeSantis, 44 -republican
Mike Pence, 64 -republican
Nikki Haley, 51 -republican
Doug Burgum, 66 -republican
Vivek Ramaswamy, 37 -republican
Chris Christie, 60 -republican
Larry Elder, 71 -republican
Asa Hutchinson, 72 -republican
Tim Scott, 57 -republican
Perry Johnson, 75 -republican
Steve Laffey, 61 -republican
Cornel West, 70 -third party
Who's running for president in 2024 and who has dropped out
Who is running for president in 2024? Here's a list of every candidate who has confirmed, including Biden, Trump and DeSantis, and who has dropped out so farabcnews.go.com
Kind of unrelated, but damn your politicians are old!!!!
Like ours are hella old too, average age being at around the early 50s,
But damn! I never realised just how old a lot of US politicians are
Kennedy
Kennedy
Kennedy
And Tulsi Gabbard, if she runs.
Kennedy
Kennedy
And Tulsi Gabbard, if she runs.
You think early 50s is old???
Biden seems to me the best out of the candidates who have any realistic chance of winning, but not because he's good. It's just because the others are far worse.
And the US hasn't started any new military "adventures" or escalated existing ones in the Middle East or the Global South in general under his presidency, so that's a major plus in my book.
And the US hasn't started any new military "adventures" or escalated existing ones in the Middle East or the Global South in general under his presidency, so that's a major plus in my book.
Heyo
Veteran Member
I watch The Young Turks with interest all the time.
Their videos are exclusively about mocking, dissing, belittling rightists all the time, without expressing their own ideas.
What are their ideas? Have no idea.
They are funny,
I think that's what certain media too: using the ad hominem as only weapon, because their ideas are totally inconsistent.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Biden doesn't deserve kudos for ending the war. He had no real choice and only mitigated the disaster that Trump stuck him with. Just look at the timeline. Biden deserves kudos for managing the rushed withdrawal that Trump dumped in his lap. Had Trump remained in office, the situation probably would have been a lot worse, since Trump did nothing to prepare for it.
Source:
Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan
So Biden enters office on January 21 with an May 1 deadline to get all remaining troops out, and he looks for the planning documents. Nothing. Congress was aware of the lack of planning and set up their own committee to make recommendations, which was all Biden had. They said that there would be a disaster unless Biden negotiated a revised withdrawal schedule. Biden managed to get a revision that gave us until August--still hard to achieve, but doable. Leading up to August, the process was understandably rushed and chaotic, and Biden got blamed for a lot of that. Nevertheless, he did a very good job of withdrawing safely and with the cooperation of the Taliban. So we avoided the embarrassing spectacle that was the end of the Vietnam War, when the US literally got booted out by the advancing North Vietnamese Army, despite a negotiated withdrawal that was in place.
Since taking office, Biden has done a very competent job of running the government and repairing much of the damage left by the Trump administration. I wish that the Democrats had someone younger to replace him with, but that's pretty hard for any political party to do when their leader is the incumbent. Biden is going the same route that many elderly American officeholders take--holding on to his power as long as he can rather than gracefully moving aside to let younger leadership emerge. We saw the result of this attitude with Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Senator Feinstein. Biden seems vigorous and reasonably alert for his age now, but people in their 80s can deteriorate quickly. Indeed, Donald Trump, only 3 years younger, is also showing signs of his age. We have become a gerontocracy.
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Heyo
Veteran Member
I doubt that.
Maybe you had some bias in choosing which videos to watch?
TYT is admittedly biased in their opinion but still tries to be accurate about the facts.
- they are for getting money out of politics. Cenk was a founding member of wolf-pac.
- TYT is supporting progressive democrats and independent progressives. They have progressive politician on their show all the time.
I hope you have a basic understanding what "progressive" means in US politics as explaining that would exceed the scope of this thread.
No, I don't.
Please translate this concept into European politics, so I can understand that
Well…yeah lol
Not like very old obviously. But I guess I’m just a damned young whippersnapper
Heyo
Veteran Member
There is no pan-European progressive party or movement, so you'll have to live with your ignorance - or watch more TYT videos, you'd get the gist of it.No, I don't.
Please translate this concept into European politics, so I can understand that
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
For us anyways.
Islamic State claims responsibility for suicide bombing on memorial service in northeast Afghanistan
The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing on a memorial service in northeast Afghanistan that killed at least 13 people and wounded 30 others
abcnews.go.com
Islamic State claims responsibility for suicide bombing on memorial service in northeast Afghanistan
The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing on a memorial service in northeast Afghanistan that killed at least 13 people and wounded 30 others
If they want to kill one another, why does the USA care?For us anyways.
Islamic State claims responsibility for suicide bombing on memorial service in northeast Afghanistan
The Islamic State group has claimed responsibility for a suicide bombing on a memorial service in northeast Afghanistan that killed at least 13 people and wounded 30 others
I will never understand that.