Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
You have my prayers, money will be of no value on the 22nd.
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240 days left until the world comes to an end
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Will you send me all of your soon to be worthless money on the 21st?
Skwim
Veteran Member
You're on their Rapture to Righteousness boarding list. Your ticket is in the mail.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
I have not much left, just a few hundred dollars... Plus I can't mock God...
It's OK...you'd be mocking me...I like that.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
No, you see since I believe this will happen, it also means you will face judgment and I know you will have no need for money. On the other hand if you don't face judgment you will join those chosen to go to heaven and will still need no money.
If I gave you my last bit of money it would mean I doubt my beliefs, and my God.
Oh,no....it would mean that you're humoring a heathen who really likes money.
It would feel good to have it for as long as it's useful, however brief that period is.
As for doubts, if you don't have them, then this small favor wouldn't create them.
joea
Oshoyoi
When one has accepted death, understand what death is, and know without death there is no life, and know death is the ultimate peak of life, and know I was never born never died.....and know I am ETERNAL; WOULD i be worried about death?
InChrist
Free4ever
So you believe the church age has ended because Harold Camping has told you so and you believe his interpretation of 1 Thessalonians 5. Again, you are choosing to believe a man over the scripture and the words of a false prophet over the words of Christ who said the gates of hell would not prevail against the church. The passage in I Thessalonians does not at all say that anyone would know the exact day, it only indicates that believers are to live a godly life, watching and praying concerning the Lord's coming so that they are prepared whenever the day occurs.
I know a family that was where you are now the first time Harold Camping set his false date. Afterward, when Christ did not return on that day it truly had a negative impact on the faith of the children and their trust and respect for their parents from then on. I hope that you will be willing to repent before the Lord and your family for listening to someone like Harold Camping, who has already been proven a false prophet by the biblical test.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Please tell me you are not one of those who are squandering everything they have because you truly believe you will not need anything after May 21? You really have that much faith in a man who has been wrong time and time again? You won't even entertain the slightest possibility that he could be wrong once more?
Look, does your god not want you to be smart? Isn't it said that "God" helps those who help themselves? Aren't you warned about false prophets? Do you think your god will be proud of you for taking this man, this extremely likely false prophet, so seriously that you cripple yourself and your ability to fend for yourself and your loved ones? IF Camping is wrong, and it is VERY likely he is, then you will have followed a false prophet to self-ruin. If your god helps those whom help themselves and you are helping to dig your own financial ruin, in which direction do you think your god will help you when life goes on as normal on May 22?
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Which church friend? Those in Alabama that have been burned by racists whites, those in Africa or China that have been utterly destroyed, those all around the world that have been brought to rubble from natural disasters?
Only an amateur would interpret what Christ said there as a literal church. The gates of hell have prevailed among MANY literal churches. Or have you forgotten the following before the end of the world:2nd Corinthians 11
2nd Thessalonians
The temple of God friend was the church, and now Satan and all his ministers are over the churches. There is a difference in the invisible eternal church of all the believers from beginning to end, and a multitude of separated denominated churches scattering the world. To say all the hundreds of denominations actually represent Jesus is an insult.
The evidence for this is they teach a "works" salvation, and a few variations of salvation, none of which allow God to take the true glory of salvation. The devil is in the details. The path is narrow, and so it takes ridiculous amounts of scrutiny to see the details.
Your error here is getting hung up on Camping, and not addressing the scripture. I can leave Camping out of this, and present my case clear and true from the scripture. I don't want to argue with you however, so if you disagree, you have made your bed, just as I have...
waitasec
Veteran Member
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
I sense your genuine concern here. And so I hope you sense mine as well. Camping has been wrong. He has been eager, and in the eagerness has been wrong. He is a dedicated student to the bible, and as such being in the public eye he will make mistakes. However, in my opinion, the mistake here would be to dismiss all his work for his errors. After spending much time really reading his work, it would be impossible to read the bible without his influence on that reading.
What I am saying, is he made a mistake in 1994, he paid dearly for it, was mocked ridiculed, and is still going through that. I started reading his work to disprove what he was saying, and once I really gave an open mind to his writing and how he looked at scripture it became clear there was something undeniable there.
As far as squandering all I have, I never had much to begin with. My wife and two kids and a humble house we rent now. God never once said in the bible and in fact it would be sacrilege to say God wants you to help your self. He never said God helps those that help themselves. That is a secular idea, and if any Christian teaches it, than they might use a handful of verses to twist into meaning that. It is literally impossible for to help yourself until God interjects in our lives. Just like the story of Saul changing into Paul, Paul could have never done the transformation on his own. Or the thief on the cross with Jesus, he reviled Jesus right up to the last second, and something changed, the guy did nothing, do no scholar research, didn't help old ladies across the road and see the error of his way, he changed and ask Jesus to remember him when he died.
Help like that can only come from God.
Hope that wasn't too long, but there you go...
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
No one in biblical scholarship would support the dates you presented. Well, maybe a few (someone has to be wrong).
EDIT: BTW, your references to the various versions of the LXX, Pentatuch, and Samaritan Bible are completely wrong and deceptive. I suppose you've read none of them?
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
No scholar that I have ever read has mentioned him.
That might say something in itself. I've never read Thiele, but apparently he's not important enough to receive mention.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
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Thought this might be of interest, it seems others don't share your views...
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
I don't see how this is relevant, Mike.
This book deals with chronology of kings - he doesn't date the Flood from it (at least from what I read in wiki).
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
It is part of the equation. I simply cited this to show to another that Camping's numbers aren't magical. Then I asked if you had read it, that's all, not challenging you at all, sorry.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
Yes, if Theile's work is exploited and abused to ends that are completely foreign to the nature of his work.
I don't feel that you're challenging me... as I said, I haven't read it. Mostly because Theile has nothing to do with Genesis / the flood.
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angellous_evangellous
Guest
I agree with you there, Mike. Camping didn't pull his numbers out of thin air - in fact, he's in a long tradition of Christians who have dated the beginning of the world from around 6000BCE to 3000BCE. To me, the disparate numbers are irrelevant: the same errors in biblical interpretation are common, the numbers are just calculated differently.
And I know from my reading that such a practice has been thoroughly refuted and almost no modern commentator will do this.