3 questions for affiliated?

[KHPR]

As I mentioned above, your organization contains a few renegades (some holding your degree) who are quite willing to teach the true student whether that student resides inside the walls of the ToS or roams free.

I suppose now would be a good time to refer you to the interview I did with Dr. Aquino. He said, "Yes! We would like everyone in the world to think like we did."

While a former Adept could be considered a renegade for sharing our writings with the outside world only because they probably don't have the understanding as a member of the Priesthood or above you can't really call them renegades if the founder of the organization is one of the people giving away our stuff.

If you think about it, I to by your definition would be a renegade since I give away our information to those outside the Temple in my show and the interviews I've done, yet no one in the Temple has raised a pitchfork calling for my resignation.

I'm noticing your use of emotionally charged words such as "the ToS leaks like a sinking ship", "group think", "dogma" and "renegade" in your posts. You might want to think of emotionally separating yourself from your arguments. Since you have never been a part of the Temple so you can't speak on how being outside the Temple makes you superior since you don't have a proper frame of reference. I could tell you lots of things about the Temple of Set, but since you've never operated inside of it, you can't know for sure if what I'm saying is true.

Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
Board of Directors, League of Reptilian Aliens, Earth Division

 

[blackout]

Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
Board of Directors, League of Reptilian Aliens, Earth Division

heh

 

[ktf]

I use the words I use because they are accurate. And I actually was once a member of the ToS.

 

[Valor]

The context is intellegence. The true Adept (and by this I am not refering to any grade in any order) will have the intellegence and expereince to be able to interpret any materials she discovers. The true Adept does not need to recieve context from an organization. Where teachers are needed they tend to manifest. As I mentioned above, your organization contains a few renegades (some holding your degree) who are quite willing to teach the true student whether that student resides inside the walls of the ToS or roams free. However, most true pmagic cannot be taught, hints can be given, and they can be figured out, either way an occult order is far from necessary. More often than not, most occult orders become a hinderance to true Initiation.

This is one of the greater attributes gained by treading this path, and why i cherish it... its the feeling of accomplishment for all the hard work... i.g. study/reading, practice and elimination, ethic tweeking and mental posture, ritual and debate....ect...ect

I enjoy the diving in and getting dirty, it comes with the path. Emotional attatchment to the path isn't uncommon,lol. But i love the path im on and the duties that follow, i enjoy the fact i must take responsibility for myself. And i know what's best and at any pace i choose. If everything is just handed to me in a book or news letter it would definately harsh the buzz, if ya know what i mean.

Changes absolutely everything, no?

 

[Daelach]

I agree, but if you don't have a context in which to interpret the material you might as well be chugging robotussin and talking to Set in your dreams

Come on, I know that the TOS boasts of elitism, but ever since I read the tablets and the scrolls, such claims made me smile.. just face it, the TOS material is not complicated, evolved, hard to grasp or whatever. In fact, I was really disappointed since I had expected much more. The highpriest's new clothes.. (-;

Not to say that it's that bad, but it is just the usual standard stuff. So, no special training and no special abilities are required. Well, at least from my point of view. Maybe my scales are a bit different what I consider as complicated or evolved.

 

[Ahanit]

May it be that we are extremly far away from the thread topic??

Equal....

-posting or Not posting of higher Grades:

The Problem I see for III+ to post in a Forum like this is, that they are allways seen as ToS, equal if they write down their opinion or not, they are seen as Official and so they have really to think over every word they write...

I can allways write for my self, no one will see me as an official, that makes it easier to give all thoughts to others if I wish to do so...

-The unqualified
Yes it is right, that we are seen as Unqualified within the ToS, that was told me more than one time, writing down in own words what I think about words or Ideas or when I talk with some "Specialists" about my Experience (What can not be true because this one and that one has written that it is so rarely that somthing like this happend that There is no possibilty of being true... Blah Blah Blah)...
But interesting is that this often not comes from III+ but from Adepts... (Yes I am still I°)

The good news is, It does not really interst me, what others think about myself and my writings

-What you can find outside of ToS
When I told some old Friends who are Members of OTO that I entered ToS I became a nice present, The Tablets up to Magister and the Scrolls and many other Articles from ToS Not for the use of I°

You can get all if you want or know the right people, who have their relationships....

But the really interesting for me entering ToS was, that the Magical Material of the Christal Tablet was nothing new...

Long before knowing anything about ToS I taught Basics of Magic and Wrote down some Articles about, which are still used in some German Comunities for Teaching Newbees the Basics of Magic (Now for up to 10 years).
Reading the Black Magic and the Within and Beyond I have to find out that most of the Things I wrote down as Basics, also where written down there, only with an other Coat than I have given to my own ideas...

So If you know the Table of Content and have a short view into a Summary you can walk through the Internet and find Similar ideas only with other names. The real Magician can find all he want, when he really know what he has to search...

-The Question of Guidance by III°+

I think there we have the Question of Intellect and Abstract thinking...
Some Things may be a little bit Hard to Understand, when the Aspirant has no good magical Basic on which he can build the Theoretical Constuct of the Ideas and Workings.
And there are some Ideas that may be a little bit dangerous to walk through without a good knowledge in the Paths of Existance and Magic...

Looking at the Human race and those within who try to walk the Paths of Magic I think there are many taking the Setian Path who need the Help because of not having a True Basic and or the overview to build up their own Ideas and Theories on what is given.

But there are Also some who don't need it, who are able to use what they can find to learn and Xeper for them self...
The only interesting for them may be the Inspiration they can get for their path from others, but it is no real need.

Between us... one of the most interesting Texts for me is the sapphire Tablet because it walkes the same path I have found within Chabas for the work at myself and my Environment, and Chabas was the Idea I gave my OTO Friend with the Hint that I entered ToS... And so the Dragon bites in his own Tail :rainbow1:

 

[MacKinnon]

Ahanit,

What do you intend to do with those Tablets?

 

[Ahanit]

Read it and take all I need for my path...

What do you think I have to do with it??

ToS was a boost for my life from the first second I had access to the Form and the Scroll, and equal if you understand it or not, I have no interest in slowing down my transformation..

As I have written above, my ideas of Chabas and how to work with going into the same direction as the theories found in the Sapphire Tablet...

Because no one wanted to discuss with me inside of ToS I had to find others to discuss, so I gave it my OTO friend, and than he gaves me the Hohle Material...

Do you really think that I do not look why this Material has manifested in my life this way... Do you think It would be better thinking about my ideas without the try to find out if there is a similar Idea in ToS....

I am Asperger Autist but I am not Stupid.

I Xeper as fast as I do it And I have no Prob to use all I can find to go forward, But be sure that I don't give it others, when they are not magician enough to find it themselve.

PS.:My priestess know that I have it, and said that I have to choose myself If I want to use it... So....

 

[MacKinnon]

Read it and take all I need for my path...

What do you think I have to do with it??

ToS was a boost for my life from the first second I had access to the Form and the Scroll, and equal if you understand it or not, I have no interest in slowing down my transformation..

As I have written above, my ideas of Chabas and how to work with going into the same direction as the theories found in the Sapphire Tablet...

Because no one wanted to discuss with me inside of ToS I had to find others to discuss, so I gave it my OTO friend, and than he gaves me the Hohle Material...

Do you really think that I do not look why this Material has manifested in my life this way... Do you think It would be better thinking about my ideas without the try to find out if there is a similar Idea in ToS....

I am Asperger Autist but I am not Stupid.

I Xeper as fast as I do it And I have no Prob to use all I can find to go forward, But be sure that I don't give it others, when they are not magician enough to find it themselve.

PS.:My priestess know that I have it, and said that I have to choose myself If I want to use it... So....

It's a question of ethics.

Materials of the ToS are subject to copyright. They are not intended for distribution outside of the Temple.

The CT really contains the core of what you would need to understand. Anything above and beyond that contains information relevant and pertaining to the various degrees those documents are intended for, and are not intended to be made available to anyone who does not hold the relevant degree.

Aside from the possibility that you have been handed stuff for free, you have no way of checking its authenticity until you attain the relevant degree.

I will raise this question with the Priesthood, as I do not accept that any member of the Priesthood would take your alleged posession of such documents lightly.

 

[Ahanit]

My dear friend

Haven't you really read the posts above?

All who want to find can get this Material without Problem, and most of those Who are not Members Of ToS posting here have this material too...

So what in all heavens and hells is the sense not to use Material the whohle world has, for the own path forward....

And what is your problem when A priestess says to me that I have to choose Myself If I wish to use it or not...
Are you really sure that you can judge about the words of a III°? Don't you think she knows what to do?

My dear I love it to be Honest, but sometimes I have to think over If it has a sense when The Open and Honest word causes such unlogical reactions...

I don't want to know how many I° have this material without saying a word.

Really Funny, talking two post ago about those who say WE are unqualified. QED

Xeper m djer Chabas
Ahanit

 

[MacKinnon]

I have read those posts.

And what is your problem when A priestess says to me that I have to choose Myself If I wish to use it or not...
Are you really sure that you can judge about the words of a III°? Don't you think she knows what to do?

I would think very carefully about what I said earlier.

The CT really contains the core of what you would need to understand. Anything above and beyond that contains information relevant and pertaining to the various degrees those documents are intended for, and are not intended to be made available to anyone who does not hold the relevant degree.

And ask yourself why this is.

 

[blackout]

I agree with Ahanit.

If your "reality" hands you things
that benefit you.
You don't reject them.
It would be like closing a door on your own Magic.

It's a major act of negation...
a denial of YOUR OWN Manifestation.

 

[L.Keane]

I agree with Ahanit.

If your "reality" hands you things
that benefit you.
You don't reject them.
It would be like closing a door on your own Magic.

It's a major act of negation...
a denial of YOUR OWN Manifestation.

Dear UV,

You certainly have a point. However, what is missing from material like the ones in question currently is context. While I have no doubt the material will have some utility outside one's Degree, it will not be buttressed or supported by the experience of the Degree. Besides the ethical and Nobility issues at hand in this case (and ethics and Nobility are major Setian concerns) the Tablets do not exist separate from the context of the Temple. Certainly the exist physically outside the Temple. However, as I personally understand it, as a I*, their Essence is connected to the Degree they correspond to. All I can say is that the Crystal Tablet could be a tool for any LHP practitioner. However, it has much more value and vitality to a member of the Temple.

Xeper,

L. Keane

 

[Ahanit]

As I have written before: I have write down the magical basics which you can find in the CT long before I have found ToS

So I have really to ask if we have only to see the context of ToS and its Degrees looking at the Material which you can find every where in the Internet, or is it the Indivdual who find it and think about what it means to the self...

Thinking at the Word: "The word of another is an Afront to the self" makes it clear for me that not a degree is the signal of walking through the Black flame and understand the Xeper written down in this words, but it is the Intellect to break down all theoris and Ideas to the basic, redefine it with the own words and remanifest them for the use in the own path forward..

May be I am alone with this theses but my success in creating my own life and future tells me that I am on the right way.

Say the truth, If you get a present do you destroy it because others think you are not good enough for this present...

Or say it in an other way... Looking for People to discuss about Chabas I ask my old friend Set if he has an Idea... And he brought me to my old OTO friend... And from this Friend I get the Material....

So in a more crazy logic I have become a Present from Set when he gave me the Hint to talk with my friend...

Is it not a form of being disrespectful against The Old man in the Dessert when I do Not use what I have got....

 

[KHPR]

I use the words I use because they are accurate. And I actually was once a member of the ToS.

According to our records and private emails with me you were not.

Xeper,
Magister Robert Adams
Host, KHPR: The Voice of Darkness
Director, League of Reptilian Aliens, Earth Division

 

[ktf]

I suggest you check "your records" for the early 90's, Houston, Texas. Talk to Arnold Watson. Perhaps he could help you. I think our private e-mails also included the fact that I joined in the early 90's but let my membership lapse. I reapplied but was denied due to a felony conviction. I am sure you know Lincoln Shaw, I would imagine he could verify this.

 

[Valor]

I will raise this question with the Priesthood, as I do not accept that any member of the Priesthood would take your alleged posession of such documents lightly.

Of course you will... but i have a hunch they might know by now.

Anyhow, im curious what this will prove, how easy was it is to obtain these documents?

Besides, I don't see it spawning any great debate that's effective in stopping the flow or those behind the walls from peddling it off... i was able to purchase every tablet for under $10 each, and i never initiated the offer.... it was just this: offered.

This alone made me cringe...i couldn't believe it. I was actually put off by it...i lost all the respect i had for the couple. And after i purchased them, i never returned their calls. I don't want to share a conclave seat next to these people, it made me sick.

If it were i, i would stand fast, adhering the confidentiality clause. But the temple seems the be weeding out the wrong people. Boxing themselves in with a nest of rattle snakes. Extremely sad.

 

[Ahanit]

Wait a minute You have Buy it from people inside the ToS???????

I allways thought the material is from Ex members.....

 

[Valor]

Wait a minute You have Buy it from people inside the ToS???????

I allways thought the material is from Ex members.....

No, i said i was in dialog with a hand full of ex members. Yes, i met them last year in another forum. Im sure they were under the impression that i was joining, but was still on the fence about it.

 

[Ahanit]

O wow Puhhh You have really Shock me LOL

Good that I have get it false....