4000 year old Mesopotamian Ark story

[outhouse]

Thank you Ingledsva and Outhouse, for providing the same link.

I'd still prefer to read the (translated) text myself.

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Your welcome

ya me too. Surprised its not out, its not that big. It should be out soon.

 

[Pegg]

It is "one" of the places where the Gilgamesh Ark story came from.

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its funny, but for so many years critics of the bible have raved about the Gilgamesh epic and how its the oldest ark story so it must be where the hebrews got the story from.

now we learn that there's an older story! This is why I dont put too much stock in the views and opinions of bible critics...they always get proved wrong down the track.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

its funny, but for so many years critics of the bible have raved about the Gilgamesh epic and how its the oldest ark story so it must be where the hebrews got the story from.

now we learn that there's an older story! This is why I dont put too much stock in the views and opinions of bible critics...they always get proved wrong down the track.

This is truly classic.

 

[Alceste]

its funny, but for so many years critics of the bible have raved about the Gilgamesh epic and how its the oldest ark story so it must be where the hebrews got the story from.

now we learn that there's an older story! This is why I dont put too much stock in the views and opinions of bible critics...they always get proved wrong down the track.

For the longest time I thought I had two cartons of coffee cream in the fridge. One that's still fine and one that expired last week. But then yesterday I found another one hiding behind the bok choi! It's even older than the one that expired last week!

Tell me, has the expiration date on the other two cartons changed as a result of finding an even older one? Or the one that expired last week still older than the one that's still good?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Tell me, has the expiration date on the other two cartons changed as a result of finding an even older one? Or the one that expired last week still older than the one that's still good?

Clearly not, but you sure won't find me raiding your refrigerator any time in the foreseeable future.

 

[Alceste]

Clearly not, but you sure won't find me raiding your refrigerator any time in the foreseeable future.

It's fiction, don't worry. The oldest one is actually a carton of milk, not coffee cream, and it still smells totally fine. Except we don't use milk. I don't know where it came from. We're still contemplating what to do with it.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Pancakes!

 

[Ingledsva]

its funny, but for so many years critics of the bible have raved about the Gilgamesh epic and how its the oldest ark story so it must be where the hebrews got the story from.

now we learn that there's an older story! This is why I dont put too much stock in the views and opinions of bible critics...they always get proved wrong down the track.

Actually they don't say that, nor were they proved wrong. They point out that there are far older versions from other areas - like the Gilgamesh story - which show that the Hebrew version is newer - and probably from these older sources.


The new cuneiform find, just becomes the oldest to date.



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[gnostic]

Actually they don't say that, nor were they proved wrong. They point out that there are far older versions from other areas - like the Gilgamesh story - which show that the Hebrew version is newer - and probably from these older sources.

The new cuneiform find, just becomes the oldest to date.

The popularity of Gilgamesh can be seen in fragments found in the 2nd millennium west, like in the Hittite capital, Armara, in Egypt, in the citystate Ugarit, and in Megiddo, Canaan. And the epics continued to be popular in the 1st millennium BCE, particularly in Neo-Assyrian Nineveh and Neo-Babylonian Babylon.

The story of Gilgamesh is not unknown, and I don't think the story of Atrahasis/Uta-naphistim.

Pegg is ignoring the fact that Ziusudra was the original Sumerian hero, whom Atrahasis and Uta-naphistim were derived from.

 

[Father Heathen]

at least now we wont have to hear, "the gilgamesh epic is older then the bible and thats where the jews got their story of a flood from"

now we'll hear "the Mesopotamia tablet, which is older then Gilgamesh epic, which is older then bible, and thats where the jews got their story of a flood from"

Yay for archaeology

That's how legends and fables work; they were inspired by earlier tales, and those tales were inspired by even earlier tales, etc. Nothing to huff and puff about, that's just how it is.

 

[Father Heathen]

Therefore?

"Therefore" it's not an original, literal account as some claim.

 

[Father Heathen]

its funny, but for so many years critics of the bible have raved about the Gilgamesh epic and how its the oldest ark story so it must be where the hebrews got the story from.

now we learn that there's an older story! This is why I dont put too much stock in the views and opinions of bible critics...they always get proved wrong down the track.

How were they proved wrong? We knew that A came from B, now we know that B came from C, so what's the issue?

 

[Caladan]

That's how legends and fables work; they were inspired by earlier tales, and those tales were inspired by even earlier tales, etc. Nothing to huff and puff about, that's just how it is.

That's a good point. Ever since prehistory, ideals and even technology have been circulating around the world, occasionally with a local twist, sometimes even with an exceptionally potent renovation or upgrade. It is an interesting and essential phenomenon to study.

 

[Anttjuan]

Isn't this what is to be expected if it actually took place?

 

[outhouse]

Isn't this what is to be expected if it actually took place?

Not sure what your getting at with such a brief reply.


Actually after a devistating flood, we do expect mythology in theology to be generated as they often used events like these to cailm some kind of divine intervention as to why this bad lack had taken place.

 

[Ingledsva]

Isn't this what is to be expected if it actually took place?

A whole earth flood has never taken place.



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[Pegg]

How were they proved wrong? We knew that A came from B, now we know that B came from C, so what's the issue?

everyones knowledge is incomplete...even the so called scholars and experts. No one can say they have the full story of anything because no one does.

 

[outhouse]

everyones knowledge is incomplete...even the so called scholars and experts. No one can say they have the full story of anything because no one does.

So we dont know or understand anything at all about the past?

 

[averageJOE]

So we dont know or understand anything at all about the past?

That's what creationists like to assert. Like Ken Ham says "You weren't there."

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

everyones knowledge is incomplete...even the so called scholars and experts. No one can say they have the full story of anything because no one does.

Any person who works in the sciences will admit that they are operating off of the facts that they have. I.e. things can change and be remodeled as more and more information come in.

There knowledge being incomplete however doesn't mean they are wrong.