58 Palestinians killed in Jerusalem protests

[Saint Frankenstein]

I didn't know 50 killed were Hamas members. But still it doesn't justify Zionism against Britain or bulldozing settlements

That doesn't mean they were armed or anything. Hamas is a political party, too. They're not all militants. Multiple children, a doctor and a medic were killed, too.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Muslims may lose Mecca if they fail to hold on to Jerusalem – Erdogan

When you hear such declarations, you understand the motivations of the conflict are merely religious and not territorial.

One can find tons of examples of Zionists basing their argument on the Bible. Goes both ways.

 

[Revoltingest]

That doesn't mean they were armed or anything. Hamas is a political party, too. They're not all militants. Multiple children, a doctor and a medic were killed, too.

Much of what I heard on NPR today from an Israel rep is that there
are people whom it's OK to kill because they're that kind of people.
But it's not a sustainable view. No matter what the justification,
the potential consequences look far far worse than seeking peace.
The many allies of they dead & dying will react hostilly, & perhaps
with greater unity.
Can Israel stand up to them all?
Is standing up this way evil?
Will they fight Iran...Russia?
Will they summon Americastan to pour money & lives into an escalating conflict?
Turkish Newspaper Close To President Erdogan Calls To Form Joint Islamic Army To Fight Israel
Russia condemns Iran's calls to destroy Israel, but also tells Jerusalem that Tehran is not the problem

 

[rosends]

Ironically, the mention of NPR brings us full circle, as it was on NPR that the person who made the swastika labeled kite admitted that he really did it.
Gazan Boasts to NPR About Driving Israelis 'Crazy' by Putting Swastikas on Firebomb Kite: 'We Want to Burn Them'

 

[Revoltingest]

Ironically, the mention of NPR brings us full circle, as it was on NPR that the person who made the swastika labeled kite admitted that he really did it.
Gazan Boasts to NPR About Driving Israelis 'Crazy' by Putting Swastikas on Firebomb Kite: 'We Want to Burn Them'

This incident makes OK the situation I just described?

 

[rosends]

This incident makes OK the situation I just described?

I don't recall saying that. Just pointing out the irony.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't recall saying that.

It's why I asked.
It can be difficult to make inferences in this place.

 

[dust1n]

My guess is this; the two state solution is dead, and the situation will devolve into somewhat resembling Apartheid South Africa.

Given that Democrats and Independents are both trending away from sympathizing with Israel and moving towards sympathizing with the occupied territories, and that they make up 2/3rds of Americans, the possibility of the US flipping back drastically in line with UN positions, or just unilaterally disengaging with Israel, should probably be somewhat concerning to your average Israeli.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

To ignore the actions of the Arabs over the last 1500 years is to seriously misunderstand the entire context. To ignore the legal position established by the Ottomans and the British is to misunderstand.

Wow.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

My guess is this; the two state solution is dead, and the situation will devolve into somewhat resembling Apartheid South Africa.

Given that Democrats and Independents are both trending away from sympathizing with Israel and moving towards sympathizing with the occupied territories, and that they make up 2/3rds of Americans, the possibility of the US flipping back drastically in line with UN positions, or just unilaterally disengaging with Israel, should probably be somewhat concerning to your average Israeli.

"Devolve"? You think it could get more appartheid-like than it already is?

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I didn't know 50 killed were Hamas members. But still it doesn't justify Zionism against Britain or bulldozing settlements

They weren't. But expect that to be the narrative that gets pushed, because shooting unarmed civilians, including children and identifiable medical staff becomes magically ok if you can slap a label on them.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Yes, it is a mess. And if it were not for our Bible based beliefs in the U.S. they would not have the staunch ally that allows them to get away with so much. Not that Israel did not get a bit of a raw deal early on in its history, but the people they are now opposing are not the same that they originally displace, but mostly their sons and daughters. Wait, wait!! We have another precedent. Adam ate the apple and passed down the blame to his kids, I guess Israel can oppress endless generations of Palestinians. It is so nice that one can support almost all beliefs by using the Bible

Don't blame the Bible for American gutter protestant support of Israeli excesses. Blame bad Bible fan fiction. The Rapture-3rd Temple-Armageddon nonsense these people believe is not Biblical.

It has far more to do with the works of Sitchin and The Late Great Planet Earth and similar than it does even a quite literal reading of Revelation.

 

[dust1n]

"Devolve"? You think it could get more appartheid-like than it already is?

Definitely. But I in particular meant that international audiences will slowly start reacting more and more to the situation in the way they did to South Africa. Of course, there are plenty of differences between those two things, but I suspect, internationally, they will end looking very similar.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Definitely. But I in particular meant that international audiences will slowly start reacting more and more to the situation in the way they did to South Africa. Of course, there are plenty of differences between those two things, but I suspect, internationally, they will end looking very similar.

Thanks for explaining your meaning. I understand now. Well, I guess... here's hoping you're right.