6-year-old student shoots teacher in Virginia classroom, police say

[Twilight Hue]

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This is is the game....

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

It might be the issue here...
I've proposed strict gun storage requirements
to prevent them from easily falling into the
wrong hands. Gun safes are cheap. And
some are rapid access, yet still secure enuf.

Maybe. Virginia has this law:

Child Access Prevention & Safe Storage in Virginia

Not sure how these laws help except for prosecuting someone after an incident. People are responsible gun owners or they are not. Not sure how another unenforceable law will change this.

 

[Revoltingest]

Maybe. Virginia has this law:

Child Access Prevention & Safe Storage in Virginia

Not sure how these laws help except for prosecuting someone after an incident. People are responsible gun owners or they are not. Not sure how another unenforceable law will change this.

Enforcement needn't be perfect in order to have
some positive effect. Over-zealous enforcement
might even inspire opposition that kills the deal.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Enforcement needn't be perfect in order to have
some positive effect. Over-zealous enforcement
might even inspire opposition that kills the deal.

How would you know if it has a positive effect?

I am not against gun laws but will they do anything? We enact a law after a shooting then another one happens and we enact another law etc. it seems our society is sick and needs help. Laws won’t help that.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

What legislation do you propose?

Well. Considering how this happens so often we're grossly desensitized to it, and it never seems to improve on any count (aye, I saw you're comment on the need for mental health, but that never gets any aid either,) why do we need to own guns? Part of the mental health issues, I feel, is our unhealthy obsession with them, and retaining them simply because "The Constitution says..."

 

[Revoltingest]

How would you know if it has a positive effect?

Economists regularly measure such murky things.
in this case, compliance would be easy. Reductions
in harm would be harder (IMO).

I am not against gun laws but will they do anything? We enact a law after a shooting then another one happens and we enact another law etc. it seems our society is sick and needs help. Laws won’t help that.

Waiting for a shooting as occasion to design new
laws is the wrong way. With passions high, rational
discussion & necessary compromise are unlikely.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Well. Considering how this happens so often we're grossly desensitized to it, and it never seems to improve on any count (aye, I saw you're comment on the need for mental health, but that never gets any aid either,) why do we need to own guns? Part of the mental health issues, I feel, is our unhealthy obsession with them, and retaining them simply because "The Constitution says..."

No one needs to give a reason to own a gun, just like no one needs a reason to own a knife or bow. A gun cannot kill anyone, a person must act to use it. We have a sick culture and society. This needs to be addressed or else these will keep happening at a high rate. As you said no one want to address this.

Maybe if the dems would support cash bail, longer sentences for crimes, securing the border etc. they may get more traction on gun control issues. I have never owned a gun before but crime is out of hand. I am signed up for a class and will purchase a gun soon to protect my family.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Waiting for a shooting as occasion to design new
laws is the wrong way. With passions high, rational
discussion & necessary compromise are unlikely.

I agree.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

No one needs to give a reason to own a gun,

You asked what legislature I would propose. So yes, a reason is needed as to why you need to own a gun. Because what I would propose is what most of the civilized world has arrived at; we don't need gun ownership. We don't need privately owned guns. Part of our "sick culture and society" is this fetish with gun ownership, no questions asked.

Maybe if the dems would support cash bail, longer sentences for crimes, securing the border etc. they may get more traction on gun control issues.

Ah yes, of course. We need to become MORE of an Imprisoned Nation than we already are. Damn those Dems and their dirty plots to... I don't know... Throw immigrant criminals in your backyard?

I am signed up for a class and will purchase a gun soon to protect my family.

What, no faith in the cops to protect you?

 

[Revoltingest]

I am signed up for a class and will purchase a gun soon to protect my family.

I've been carrying a concealed handgun since the 80s.
The last couple decades it's been a Glock 22 (.40S&W).
But I'm intrigued by this because it looks effective enuf
for my circumstances, & offers a couple advantages...
1) Less than lethal.
2) Low risk of being viewed adversely by a jury.
Byrna | Best Non Lethal Self-Defense Products

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

You asked what legislature I would propose. So yes, a reason is needed as to why you need to own a gun. Because what I would propose is what most of the civilized world has arrived at; we don't need gun ownership. We don't need privately owned guns. Part of our "sick culture and society" is this fetish with gun ownership, no questions asked.

So what are the reasons you would approve of someone owning a gun? If the government gets to decide who has a gun then the populace is not free. What are some of the reasons people own guns now? Do you think it is just fetishes?

Do you think if we don't let people own guns that people will not have guns? That is a foolish thought.

Ah yes, of course. We need to become MORE of an Imprisoned Nation than we already are. Damn those Dems and their dirty plots to... I don't know... Throw immigrant criminals in your backyard?

Does it make sense to you to release people that committed a felony without bail? Many of them with previous charges? This is what is happening in NY.

Does it make sense to you to let people across the border that we know nothing about? Do you think there are no criminals coming across the border?

Do you want a conversation or just keep throwing stereotypes to insult others?

What, no faith in the cops to protect you?

Nope. Do you think the police can get to my house fast enough to stop someone hurting my family that is already in the house?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

I've been carrying a concealed handgun since the 80s.
The last couple decades it's been a Glock 22 (.40S&W).
But I'm intrigued by this because it looks effective enuf
for my circumstances, & offers a couple advantages...
1) Less than lethal.
2) Low risk of being viewed adversely by a jury.
Byrna | Best Non Lethal Self-Defense Products

I will look at it, thanks.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

So what are the reasons you would approve of someone owning a gun?

Provide an argument for it. Why do you need a gun?

Do you want a conversation or just keep throwing stereotypes to insult others?

You brought this down by taking a dig at "The Dems". Throwing out (even in this post) stereotypes of immigrants. You don't get to high-road here.

Nope. Do you think the police can get to my house fast enough to stop someone hurting my family that is already in the house?

Is this your argument for gun ownership? Home defense?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Provide an argument for it. Why do you need a gun?

No. If you want the government to approve gun ownership then the government needs to lay out a criteria for gun ownership. If you are recommending every citizen needs to make a case for the government to approve of, then we have lost our right to own a gun because they can just deny all requests like you want. Do I need a reason to exercise my right to free speech or due process? My reason for owning a gun is that I don't need to provide a reason.

Now for what reasons would you allow gun ownership?

You brought this down by taking a dig at "The Dems". Throwing out (even in this post) stereotypes of immigrants. You don't get to high-road here.

Please tell me where I stereotyped immigrants? If you cannot please retract this statement. I never did this.

Is this your argument for gun ownership? Home defense?

No.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

My reason for owning a gun is that I don't need to provide a reason.

And I've given you the legislature that I would support: No one needs a gun. It would absolutely not be "Lay out criteria for gun ownership", it would be "You do not require private ownership of a lethal weapon that has no other purpose but killing." So to your next questions:

Now for what reasons would you allow gun ownership?

I wouldn't.

Please tell me where I stereotyped immigrants? If you cannot please retract this statement. I never did this.

I will not retract my statement, as your posts #27 (as well being a shameless political dig) and post #31 clearly push the narrative of "Crime is out of control, our borders aren't secure, illegals are pouring over in droves with criminals!"

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

And I've given you the legislature that I would support: No one needs a gun. It would absolutely not be "Lay out criteria for gun ownership", it would be "You do not require private ownership of a lethal weapon that has no other purpose but killing." So to your next questions:

Ok, thanks for the clarification. Then you need to work toward a constitutional amendment.

I will not retract my statement, as your posts #27 (as well being a shameless political dig) and post #31 clearly push the narrative of "Crime is out of control, our borders aren't secure, illegals are pouring over in droves with criminals!"

How is this a stereotype? There are criminals coming across the border illegally, that is a fact. I never said all were criminals.

Here is what I said in post #27:

Maybe if the dems would support cash bail, longer sentences for crimes, securing the border etc. they may get more traction on gun control issues. I have never owned a gun before but crime is out of hand. I am signed up for a class and will purchase a gun soon to protect my family.

How is this a dig at democrats? Is this not a true statement? It is dems that support these things.

Here is what I said in post 31:

Does it make sense to you to let people across the border that we know nothing about? Do you think there are no criminals coming across the border?

So yeah, I never stereotyped anyone.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

There are criminals coming across the border illegally, that is a fact.

Are they the ones shooting up schools? Nightclubs? Did they provide this 6-year-old with the gun they knowingly shot their teacher with?

You began your solution with "If the Dems" - not a great start - and then went on about said insecure borders and "crime out of control". True, you didn't expressly state that all immigrants are criminals, but is is certainly inferred in context.

Your points on immigration and incarceration are completely irrelevant to the issue. It does not address the obscene fetish that our culture has around guns, nor the ease with which children are able to get guns and shoot up their classmates.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

Are they the ones shooting up schools? Nightclubs? Did they provide this 6-year-old with the gun they knowingly shot their teacher with?

You began your solution with "If the Dems" - not a great start - and then went on about said insecure borders and "crime out of control". True, you didn't expressly state that all immigrants are criminals, but is is certainly inferred in context.

How many repubs are for cashless bail, or for not securing the border more than it is?

Illegal immigrants have killed and raped people here in America. This is what I am referring to. I did not infer anything other than what I said. That is your bias entering into it.

Your points on immigration and incarceration are completely irrelevant to the issue. It does not address the obscene fetish that our culture has around guns, nor the ease with which children are able to get guns and shoot up their classmates.

Again, why do you think people own guns? Is it just because they have a fetish?

You don't just want to take away my right to own a gun, you want to take away my right to defend myself and my family. Why?

 

[metis]

Illegal immigrants have killed and raped people here in America.

They have an overall crime rate lower than that of American citizens.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

They have an overall crime rate lower than that of American citizens.

Not my point. All I said was that some illegal immigrants have committed crimes in America. The Kilted Heathen is trying to say I meant all immigrants. Which is ridiculous.