Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
How do you enforce that? We already have laws making it illegal to give gun access to children in most/all states.
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6-year-old student shoots teacher in Virginia classroom, police say
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Most states to not require at least the ownership of gun safes or other ways of keeping handguns away from others. Also prosecution, as in this case, if people do not take care of their guns properly is a must. And knowledge of what would happen to someone if one's gun was used illegally by someone else besides the owner would always need prosecution and public awareness of that law. Uncle Ned asks to borrow your handgun? Heck no!! Do not lock it up properly and it gets stolen and used in a crime? Then the owner needs to be charged too.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
I've been pretty explicit that I'm of the mind that no one needs private ownership of a gun. Yes, that would be advocating for a complete amendment to repeal the 2nd; you're telling me things that I have already clearly and consistently stated.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I disagree. If your gun is not locked up in your house and gets stolen from your house then whatever the person who stole it does with it is their responsibility. If you give your gun to someone knowing they will use t to harm someone then yes they should be charged and we do charge them. The mother of this 6 yo can be charged under current Virginia law for not properly securing a gun so a child could get it. What additional law would have prevented this?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
ok, good luck.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
First off I made no claims about what sort of laws that Virginia had. I did say that if such laws exist that punishment must be mandatory. She should be in prison since her disregard for the safety of others led to a life threatening injury. Second Virginia does not have proper child protection laws in place:
States with Firearm Laws Designed to Protect Children
As a gun supporters you should be in favor of such laws. You see what more and more people like @Left Coast would do and with an attitude like yours and that of other gun owners that will not step up he may be right. I am pro gun rights, I do not support a total ban. But we do need to do far more than we have been.
You may not realize it but if a person knows that they will be prosecuted if someone else gets a hold of their guns, especially if they did not follow reasonable precautions, their behavior will change. If that gun owner knew that she would go to prison if her kid took her gun she might not have just cavalierly left her gun in her purse or wherever she had it.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
By the way since Monday, two more children under the age of 11 have been killed by guns.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I see no difference in a law that states you cannot provide access to a gun to a minor and you must lock up your gun. Virginia can prosecute the mother if she did not properly keep the child from having access to the gun.
I am for laws restricting gun access to minors. What is my attitude? I disagree that a law saying guns must be locked up in someone's home is useful. We already have laws that cover this.
I agree, then she should have it locked up. Why do we need a second law for the same thing? VA already has a law against this. The 14 states that don't need to pass them.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
What is your process for getting rid of the 400+ million guns that we know of?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
What Virginia law are you talking about? The source that I linked says that it does not exist, though it could be out of date. And laws are not worth anything if states are not willing to prosecute. That is why she needs to go to prison. Do you agree?
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
I do not have a "process", Clizby. I've also been very clear in that this is policy that I support, not that I am spearheading.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Here is VA law regarding child gun access.
§ 18.2-56.2. Allowing access to firearms by children; penalty
Class 1 misdemeanor, that means up to 12 months in jail and $2500 fine. I do agree the jail time needs to be more in these situations.
As far as this mother I am not sure what the situation was. If she was negligent and had the gun where the child could easily get it then yes she needs to go to jail.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
Ok, I think your policy is unattainable. I would support solutions that can be implemented and reduce gun violence. If you can show me how it can be obtained then maybe I would agree with you.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
You continue to say "my" policy as though I'm the one drafting it. Still categorically false, but splitting hairs - why do you feel it's unobtainable?
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
You said it was the policy you support. I cannot think of any way to get rid of 400+ million guns and keep them out. If you can please let me know how.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Indeed. That does not make it my policy. But hey, what the hell;
Stop selling ammo. After time, enjoy your paperweight.
Crow 2024 - Comin' For Your Guns by Takin' Your Ammo.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I agree it is not your policy but that does not matter, You support the policy.
I don't think you have thought this through. How do you keep the illegal supply of ammo and guns out of the country? All you will do is make gun cartels that will use more violence.
The Kilted Heathen
Crow FreyjasmaðR
Prove there's an illegal supply of guns and ammunition being fed directly to the American people, and that it contributes in large part to the overwhelming gun violence that we see today.
Clizby Wampuscat
Well-Known Member
I never said that. I said that will happen if you make ammo or guns illegal.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You need to know a few more criminals. Though some of them do like owning guns, for them it is more of a matter of a purchase of convenience. A stolen gun will not get anywhere near market value. Many times the last thing that a burglar wants is a gun. That can add years to a sentence if caught. If they see a gun they will take it because it is easy to sell, but never at a high cost. If the legal sources of guns dry up that enable them to be stolen. On the street you are not apt to pay more than $200 for a gun and often it will be in the $100 to $150 range. That is far far less than even the wholesale cost of guns. Smuggling is not cheap. Smuggled guns are apt to go for more than retail:
How Much Does A Gun Cost On The Street? - Gun Laws
Get rid of legal guns and the number of illegal guns will plummet too.