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So not really a valid fear. Where do you live? Do you live in a poor area? if not your odds of being burglarized drops dramatically as do the odds of a burglary involving a violent crime. In fact the odds may be higher that you will hurt yourself or others accidentally with a gun than the odds of your being attacked in a burglary. That would make your fears not only poorly founded but irrational as well.
Just about everything. If guns could be made cheaper elsewhere they would be. In fact they are. There is not much market for them because people for some odd reason tend to want a reliable firearm.
It's not something I've denied. I've simply asked you to prove your assumption that such would be the same case in America. You are absolutely able to form an assumption or a theory based on those facts, but that does not then become a fact until proven.[/quote]I don't think you want a serious conversation about guns. It is obvious there would be illegal guns in America. I live in America and I would have an illegal gun.
seriously? What am I going to do with a taser or pepper spray if the intruder has a gun? I have a better chance to protect my family if I have a gun.
How was my quote of:
I have never said "Lock them up better". If you insist in an ideal society then yeah, that is not the world we live in.
Calling people stupid for wanting to own a gun to protect themselves is a stupid comment.
Not if you store your gun properly and have proper training on how to use it. Until the odds are zero it is rational to own a gun for safety if done properly.
You forget in your world there would be no guns made in America. So illegal ones would only be available. Why wouldn't people buy them?
First off because they are illegal. Second because of the price. Guns are cheap for criminals only because they can be stolen and resold. They basic cost of a firearm would skyrocket if one could only depend upon smuggled ones. You are adding all sorts of costs to the process. A person could not bring in guns easily. They do tend to be made of metal and they are easily detected because of that. How do you think that they would be smuggled and by whom?
Sorry, but then I could use the same conditions to your fears about being burglarized. You cannot make a simplistic odds argument and not realize that you could do the same thing to greatly reduce your odds of being burglarized. The number one way to greatly lower that risk is to have some sort of monitoring service. In other words if you are going to make an argument make a decent one. You need to be consistent in your use of modifications to the original argument.
You're assuming an intruder would have a gun. In a completely fabricated hypothetical. That is not a strong defense to clutch your gun like so many pearls.
Because you fear intrusion. You fear that they'll have a gun, and senselessly mow down your family. You fear this, and as a result you're likely to have a fear-based response. Perhaps what you see as a gun, in this fear-induced state, is actually just a flashlight, and you end someone's life without need.
Not in those exact words, but yes you did.
Gee, I wonder why. And yet it is a nation that we could live in, especially as we're supposedly the Best and Richest Nation in the world.
Yeah, to be clear I'm talking about people who are so senselessly wed to their iron that they would wage war on the government to keep their little pew pews. They would become the very thing that is contributing to more and more deaths each year - thankfully no more children today; it's been a good day.
The same way that illegal drugs enter the US, mainly through the southern border. Right now it is not hard to get into the US illegally. Why would guns be different? Maybe they would be more expensive, I am just asking questions.
Unless you can guarantee I will never be burglarized by someone with a gun I am not going to give up my best way to defend myself and my family.
Yes I am because that is the worst case scenario. This is how you must think about your personal safety. This does happen everyday in the US.
I don't have a fear or it. It is responsible to think about what if this happens, like I have said this occurs.
I never said this.
You think we could ever live in a nation that has no crime? That is a foolish thought.
Our society is still sick. When are you going to address that?
Ok.
Yet not a certainty. In your fear-based response mindset, you might end up killing a teenager who just happened to enter the wrong house, or even a petty criminal who's completely unarmed. Which, you know, is denying them their right to due process. Murder is not a rational answer.
Funny, because that's your quote. Would you care to elaborate on just what pushing for cash-only bail and longer sentences would be, then?
Not what I said. If you go back and read what I wrote, I said the reasons people commit crime would be properly addressed.
About four days ago.
That reasoning is irrational.
No, drugs are very very different. They do not compare.. Drugs are simple,light, and pound for pound about one hundred times the value of guns.
Due process is to ensure the government treats every citizen fairly. Has nothing to do with this situation. I never said shoot anyone that enters my house.
Funny you never actually quote me you just say what I said. Post my quote where I said this and I can elaborate.
How will these things eliminate violent crime? I may agree with some of these things but it will not stop the need for self protection.
I agree we have a problem with gun violence. I disagree getting rid of gun ownership is the answer.
Seriously. Look int all of the risks of owning a handgun, and then compare them to the risks of a violent robbery. Add in where you live and you will almost certainly see that violent robbery rate drop dramatically. The reason that I said that your reasoning is irrational is because you refuse to do a proper analysis of this.
Guns are smuggled into Canada, Mexico, Australia and the US everyday. Why would this stop if gun ownership was outlawed in the US?